Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
I believe it is a way to make accusations in a formal setting in order to sway voters. They are not even interested in criminal charges because this will provide a defence for Trump. That is the last thing they want. Also it will go down as a "non partisan committee because there was 2 Republicans". Leaving put the destain for Trump from the 2 Republicans who have been day 1 he took office.
If there was anything substantial, it would have been reported long ago, or at the very least already brought out by the committee. Left news station are unusually silent these days...
It may very well backfire because while they are wasting precious time and money, Americans are suffering with inflation.
Look at the election in Texas. A blue district for the last 150 years just went red. It used to be that elected dems like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer were laughed it because they were just stupid. Now these dems have become dangerously stupid. The American people are finally waking up to how dangerous it is to keep doubling down on stupid.
It's naive to believe that people intending on taken down the US government, which has the most powerful military in the word would not think of bringing weapons.
They were Republican and probably could have formed a nice orificenal of weapons. However , they did not.
Similar to this dog and pony show? Wagon without wheels on both sides?
Based on their now publically available plans, as an example the Proud Boys plan can be viewed here, the more effective way for a mob to gain entrance to the Capital was covertly, getting the crowd to the doors under the guise of just being there to protest was an important part of it, I can't see them getting to that point if they're heavily armed with firearms.
The idea that there's no way they could get a violent mob into the Capital building without firearms is a bit silly at this point, they did, it happened.
18 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:
If this was an insurrection and a actual attempt to overthrow our government and Trump was part if it, then charge him.
You cannot claim that this is the worst thing since 9/11, (not saying anyone here specifically)then identify who is to blame then not charge him. Nope,sorry.
Charge him, charge the offenders and move on. Let me add, those charged with sedition have not gone to trial so they are innocent until proven otherwise. At least they'll get a defence.
Establishing what if any charges are applicable are the purpose of the hearings. In regular criminal law this is done by a Grand Jury (which is different from the Supreme Court), when crimes are possibly committed by a sitting President, Congress is the Grand Jury, that's the step we're currently at.
As for what crimes Trump may have committed, it mainly revolves around his public statements that the certification by the electoral college should be stopped, and that Pence was the main target for this.
If the riot never actually happened then we might be left to wonder if Trump had really meant for an angry mob to go after Pence, but it would appear that he was fine with that.
Multiple Trump staffers have testified that he was aware a riot was occurring in the Capital and that their target was Pence when he sent out the following Tweet:
Over the next few hours he made no attempt to call off the riot, it wasn't until it had clearly failed that he made a statement, which didn't include anything about what happened not being what he intended, instead he said that this what he expected to happen.
So was it a coup in Florida in 2000 and Minnesota in 2008 when they were rejecting ballots for Norm?
Gore conceded so, no. They filed legal challenges, lost in the Supreme Court and conceded.
Minnesota election was for Senate , not head of state, so also not a coup. The close vote count triggered a mandatory recount, court challenges were made, and Franken declared the winner.
Based on their now publically available plans, as an example the Proud Boys plan can be viewed here
, the more effective way for a mob to gain entrance to the Capital was covertly, getting the crowd to the doors under the guise of just being there to protest was an important part of it, I can't see them getting to that point if they're heavily armed with firearms.
The idea that there's no way they could get a violent mob into the Capital building without firearms is a bit silly at this point, they did, it happened.
Establishing what if any charges are applicable are the purpose of the hearings. In regular criminal law this is done by a Grand Jury (which is different from the Supreme Court), when crimes are possibly committed by a sitting President, Congress is the Grand Jury, that's the step we're currently at.
As for what crimes Trump may have committed, it mainly revolves around his public statements that the certification by the electoral college should be stopped, and that Pence was the main target for this.
If the riot never actually happened then we might be left to wonder if Trump had really meant for an angry mob to go after Pence, but it would appear that he was fine with that.
Multiple Trump staffers have testified that he was aware a riot was occurring in the Capital and that their target was Pence when he sent out the following Tweet:
Over the next few hours he made no attempt to call off the riot, it wasn't until it had clearly failed that he made a statement, which didn't include anything about what happened not being what he intended, instead he said that this what he expected to happen.
1/6 was basically a frat party that got out of control. If the Capitol police believed it was a right they wouldn't have opened the doors and welcomed them in.
1/6 was basically a frat party that got out of control. If the Capitol police believed it was a right they wouldn't have opened the doors and welcomed them in.
The odd thing is I've opened doors for people and welcomed them in, and have never had fractured ribs, spinal injuries, or ended up losing an eye like some of the Capitol Police did.
There's no doubt it can be reasonable to have skepticism about the facts surrounding January 6th pending further or more specific proof, those are things worth discussion because they're based in reason.
But the various delusional claims like the police just welcomed them in is like trying to discuss that the earth isn't flat with a flat-earther, they're arguments aren't based in reality so there's really nowhere for the discussion to go.
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2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:
I believe it is a way to make accusations in a formal setting in order to sway voters. They are not even interested in criminal charges because this will provide a defence for Trump. That is the last thing they want. Also it will go down as a "non partisan committee because there was 2 Republicans". Leaving put the destain for Trump from the 2 Republicans who have been day 1 he took office.
If there was anything substantial, it would have been reported long ago, or at the very least already brought out by the committee. Left news station are unusually silent these days...
It may very well backfire because while they are wasting precious time and money, Americans are suffering with inflation.
There was interesting testimony and evidence presented today, would you agree?
Do you think that inflation would be improved somehow if congress simply ignored the events of 0106 and didn't seek truth and accountability?
Based on their now publically available plans, as an example the Proud Boys plan can be viewed here, the more effective way for a mob to gain entrance to the Capital was covertly, getting the crowd to the doors under the guise of just being there to protest was an important part of it, I can't see them getting to that point if they're heavily armed with firearms.
The idea that there's no way they could get a violent mob into the Capital building without firearms is a bit silly at this point, they did, it happened.
Establishing what if any charges are applicable are the purpose of the hearings. In regular criminal law this is done by a Grand Jury (which is different from the Supreme Court), when crimes are possibly committed by a sitting President, Congress is the Grand Jury, that's the step we're currently at.
As for what crimes Trump may have committed, it mainly revolves around his public statements that the certification by the electoral college should be stopped, and that Pence was the main target for this.
If the riot never actually happened then we might be left to wonder if Trump had really meant for an angry mob to go after Pence, but it would appear that he was fine with that.
Multiple Trump staffers have testified that he was aware a riot was occurring in the Capital and that their target was Pence when he sent out the following Tweet:
Over the next few hours he made no attempt to call off the riot, it wasn't until it had clearly failed that he made a statement, which didn't include anything about what happened not being what he intended, instead he said that this what he expected to happen.
Okay. That's a good explanation as to why they didn't have fire arms. I do not know how they were going to pull it off with none if they got in. Perhaps their criminal cases will shed more light on that.
Yes. Trump should have could have done more to get the mob to stop. I'm not sure how he could once it was started. He also should have been more contious of his words leading up to. He should have said that if he thought there was fraud, he was going to investigate this. There are legal ways to do it. He was disgraceful in how he treated Pence.
However it falls short of actual plans to over throw the government. I'm not buying a pre-planned anything from him nor do I think his actions or words caused the riot. The riot had stated before his speach ended. Unless we are going to hold people accountable for how people interpret our words, will mean a whole lot of people will be in trouble.
1 hour ago, nursej22 said:
Gore conceded so, no. They filed legal challenges, lost in the Supreme Court and conceded.
Minnesota election was for Senate , not head of state, so also not a coup. The close vote count triggered a mandatory recount, court challenges were made, and Franken declared the winner.
There was interesting testimony and evidence presented today, would you agree?
Do you think that inflation would be improved somehow if congress simply ignored the events of 0106 and didn't seek truth and accountability?
I haven't watched all of it today. Care to specify?
I'm sure inflation would still be happening if they didn't hold this committee, however the everday person might not be impressed with the money and time spent while there are other issues effecting them daily.
The odd thing is I've opened doors for people and welcomed them in, and have never had fractured ribs, spinal injuries, or ended up losing an eye like some of the Capitol Police did.
There's no doubt it can be reasonable to have skepticism about the facts surrounding January 6th pending further or more specific proof, those are things worth discussion because they're based in reason.
But the various delusional claims like the police just welcomed them in is like trying to discuss that the earth isn't flat with a flat-earther, they're arguments aren't based in reality so there's really nowhere for the discussion to go.
Okay. That's a good explanation as to why they didn't have fire arms. I donot know how they were going to pull it off with none if they got in. Perhaps their criminal cases will shed more light on that.
Yes. Trump should have could have done more to get the mob to stop. I'm not sure how he could once it was started.
Telling them to stop it would have been a good start.
8 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
He also should have been more contious of his words leading up to. He should have said that if he thought there was fraud, he was going to investigate this. There are legal ways to do it.
It wasn't that he was misunderstood at that he didn't want to do anything illegal. His publicly stated plan, which he repeated numerous times, was to have Pence alter the electoral college outcome, which multiple Trump staffers have testified that he was told would be illegal, yet he continued to push for this publicly.
10 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
However it falls short of actual plans to over throw the government. I'm not buying a pre-planned anything from him nor do I think his actions caused the riot. Unless we are going to hold people accountable for how people interpret our words, will mean a whole lot of people will be in trouble.
Again, it's pretty clear he wasn't misunderstood, he confirmed this in a Tweet following the riot.
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Look at the election in Texas. A blue district for the last 150 years just went red. It used to be that elected dems like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer were laughed it because they were just stupid. Now these dems have become dangerously stupid. The American people are finally waking up to how dangerous it is to keep doubling down on stupid.