Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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6 hours ago, bunnyandthorton said:
Yep, that's why Trump gave the go-ahead for the National Guard troops because there was a known threat of violence per intel investigation, which was relayed to capitol police, Pelosi, and Mayor Bowser as per protocol. None of them accepted his offer of National Guard troops, and he couldn't just place them there without their consent lest he would have violated many laws. It's like they wanted something to happen so they could blame him for "inciting a riot", and here we are.
Again...the incitement and purpose of the mob are the important issues. You seem to think that the security failures were the important focal point of the problem. You keep pointing out your belief that Trump tried to increase security but you haven't provided any evidence to support your belief and we know that Trump enjoyed the attack and didn't want to stop it.
Did you watch the hearing when the committee spoke to the capitol police command last year? It doesn't sound like you did. Are you watching the hearings now or just listening to the right wing commentary telling you what was said?
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7 hours ago, bunnyandthorton said:
yes or no: is this country better off now compared to 2019?
Trump was president in 2019 and at that time he was still corrupt and untrustworthy with disqualifying character flaws... so, yeah we're better off with him far away from political power.
Trump was also impeached for this very reason and he walked away a free man. Maybe your side is just upset that you have no issues to run on besides record inflation, record crime, and putting people out of work because they won't take a vaccine?
Well, don't forget that Trump also gave us a brutally high per capita death rate for Covid by politicizing a virus. Do you think that had anything to do with inflation, crime and putting people "out of work" (nonsense) because they wouldn't take a vaccine?
Again...the incitement and purpose of the mob are the important issues. You seem to think that the security failures were the important focal point of the problem. You keep pointing out your belief that Trump tried to increase security but you haven't provided any evidence to support your belief and we know that Trump enjoyed the attack and didn't want to stop it.
Did you watch the hearing when the committee spoke to the capitol police command last year? It doesn't sound like you did. Are you watching the hearings now or just listening to the right wing commentary telling you what was said?
Trump didn't incite anything, intel shows the extremist groups were planning to show up at the rally/protest, it's up to security to make sure people are safe. That is squarely the responsibility of Pelosi as capitol security falls on her. Trump said "peacefully march" and "make your voices heard". That doesn't sound like an insurrection incited by Trump to me.
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1 hour ago, bunnyandthorton said:
Trump didn't incite anything, intel shows the extremist groups were planning to show up at the rally/protest, it's up to security to make sure people are safe. That is squarely the responsibility of Pelosi as capitol security falls on her. Trump said "peacefully march" and "make your voices heard". That doesn't sound like an insurrection incited by Trump to me.
Here's your source, Google:
USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf (justthenews.com)
That's your opinion that he didn't incite. Your opinion cherry picks what he said in one speech and ignores the other words and other evidence which supports the notion of incitement.
Trump's behavior and language in the weeks leading up to the violent coup could certainly be viewed as incitement as he was desperate to retain lost power. You should watch and listen to the hearings. It's important that the American people understand the threat that this Trumpian and decidedly anti-democracy political movement represents.
Trump didn't incite anything, intel shows the extremist groups were planning to show up at the rally/protest, it's up to security to make sure people are safe. That is squarely the responsibility of Pelosi as capitol security falls on her. Trump said "peacefully march" and "make your voices heard". That doesn't sound like an insurrection incited by Trump to me.
Here's your source, Google:
USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf (justthenews.com)
I agree the committee is bias and pretty much for show.
However I have to say that Trump managed the 2020 election poorly. If he felt there was fraud he should have investigated it more professionally. I'm afraid his words were his biggest fault and he really did not represent himself well. However I do not believe he is responsible for the riot.
I agree the committee is bias and pretty much for show.
However I have to say that Trump managed the 2020 election poorly. If he felt there was fraud he should have investigated it more professionally. I'm afraid his words were his biggest fault and he really did not represent himself well. However I do not believe he is responsible for the riot.
Well how else would you react when you genuinely believe an election was stolen from you and all evidence points to it being likely? I mean, we all went to bed that night with Trump well in the lead, and then when we woke up...those five swing states that stopped counting in the middle of the night (that Trump was leading in) just miraculously, suddenly had tons and tons of votes for Biden at a 90/10 advantage just enough to let him win? Keep in mind Trump won 19/20 historic bell-weather counties and STILL lost, somehow.
That's your opinion that he didn't incite. Your opinion cherry picks what he said in one speech and ignores the other words and other evidence which supports the notion of incitement.
Trump's behavior and language in the weeks leading up to the violent coup could certainly be viewed as incitement as he was desperate to retain lost power. You should watch and listen to the hearings. It's important that the American people understand the threat that this Trumpian and decidedly anti-democracy political movement represents.
We the people have every right to question an election. That was the original purpose of the protest, to get to the bottom of what exactly happened in the general election. Agent provocateurs, likely in conjunction with the FBI, infiltrated the protest in order to steer the conversation away from election irregularities, and I'd say they achieved that goal. Mission accomplished for them, but not for the American people who are literally struggling to survive, but yet had some of the highest standard of living increases under Trump, and nothing was indicating that was going to stop. Then came COVID during Trump's reelection year...how convenient, when the Russian hoax didn't stick, the sexual harassment didn't stick, the impeachment didn't stick, hey I guess the global elites--short of assassination--were willing to do whatever it took to get an American president out of office who was making America great again because that goes against the plans for a global government.
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30 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
I agree the committee is bias and pretty much for show.
However I have to say that Trump managed the 2020 election poorly. If he felt there was fraud he should have investigated it more professionally. I'm afraid his words were his biggest fault and he really did not represent himself well. However I do not believe he is responsible for the riot.
Yes, the hearings are "for show" in an effort to inform the people about this serious and violent ideological threat to our republic.
Yes, the hearings are "for show" in an effort to inform the people about this serious and violent ideological threat to our republic.
Yes, yes I know......... A one horse pony show..........
Yes because a mentally ill man in bullhorns callin himself a shaman was part of a highly organized plot to over throw the US government..... Or any of the wack jobs in the capital that day.... LOL
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4 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
Yes, yes I know......... A one horse pony show..........
Yes because a mentally ill man in bullhorns callin himself a shaman was part of a highly organized plot to over throw the US government..... Or any of the wack jobs in the capital that day.... LOL
Look really organized too.
You should watch the hearings rather than depend upon someone else to tell you what was presented. Why aren't you concerned about that attempt to undermine the 2020 election? Why aren't you concerned that there are people in Congress who will not state unequivocally that the idea that the 2020 election was rigged or stolen or in any way fraudulent is a life that Trump is pushing?
THAT is the dog and pony show, the persistent pointing at irrelevant or ancillary trivia to avoid talking about the actual evidence that Trump was looking for ways to retain lost power. If only he had taken the pandemic seriously rather than try to overthrow our democracy and install himself as president. Leadership isn't easy.
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Again...the incitement and purpose of the mob are the important issues. You seem to think that the security failures were the important focal point of the problem. You keep pointing out your belief that Trump tried to increase security but you haven't provided any evidence to support your belief and we know that Trump enjoyed the attack and didn't want to stop it.
Did you watch the hearing when the committee spoke to the capitol police command last year? It doesn't sound like you did. Are you watching the hearings now or just listening to the right wing commentary telling you what was said?