Is it true that a BSN will be mandatory soon?

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An instructor of mine (I'm in another state) stated that she recently went to a national educators conference and that they were saying that within the next several years in NY it would be mandatory to have your BSN. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks

This is a relevent topic for nurses at all educational levels. I think the degree "requirements" being proposed by some legislators have more to do with image (and who is backing them? Hospitals of course) than the skill level of the trade. ADN programs and BSN programs are virtually identical in their core nursing education. The BSN programs vary a little, but most have an additional course in statistics, maybe a nutrition course, a harder chemistry, and maybe two additional "nursing theory" courses.

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I have an ASN, that might be slightly different to the ADN programs, but for the ASN program, we had to take Chemistry, (chemistry is chemistry, I am not sure if there is an easier or harder one...maybe it depends on the student or even the teacher). We were also required to take microbiology, Health and Nurtition, and I also had to take Statistics. You are probably right, about an extra theory course, that is needed for the BSN.

Michele

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Getting a BSN, MSN or doctorate is hard work. But when I'm sick, I really don't care about your degree. I just want you to know what you're doing.

I agree, I worked with some LPN's that have 30 years of experience too, and they sometimes know more than the ASN and BSN nurses. Also I have found that some of the BSN nurses that graduated the same year as the ASN nurses, just did not know as much as the ASN nurses, and some of the ASN nurses that came from the the same school, just seamed to be more compassionate and have better bedside manners. So it really depends on the individual school and their programs.

Michele

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Specializes in Hospital, med-surg, hospice.

The medical field need every nurse they can get and experience is priceless, I have an ADN and 12yrs experience, I would rather have an experienced nurse over an inexperienced BSN or an MSN every time! This profession is on the job training basically

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Please let me know what they are because I called my old professor to ask and she said they were converted to ADN programs

Actually NY does have diploma schools...I researched a few in the NYC metro area, but they didn't appeal to me. Just wanted to let you know in case you might want to research them.
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Specializes in ER/SURGICAL ICU/PACU/MEDICAL ICU.
Please let me know what they are because I called my old professor to ask and she said they were converted to ADN programs

Cammy there are about 2 schools in NY state that still offer Diploma Nursing, is it practical now a days? Not too much. Do they exist? Yes. Here they are:

Arnot Ogden Medical Center - School of Nursing

600 Roe Avenue

Elmira, NY 14905

Phone: (607) 737-4153

Fax: (607) 737-4116

Contact us

NLNAC Accreditation

Degrees/Specialties

Accreditation

NLNAC Accredited Nursing

Diploma Programs

Diploma RN

Associate's

LPN-to-Associate's Degree in Nursing

Bachelor's

Bachelor of Science in Nursing (BSN)

AND

Branford Hall Career Institute - Bohemia

Branford Hall Career Institute , with campuses conveniently located in CT, MA, NY, offers degree and certificate programs with state-of-the-art, computer driven technologies in the field of Healthcare and Information Technology.

Offering Healthcare programs in: Massage Therapy, Medical Assistant, Medical Billing & Coding, Nursing, Nursing (Certificate)

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I just wanted to know just for the hell of it. I just finished an ADN program and found out that I passed the nclex today . But its always good to know. Thanks.

Cammy there are about 2 schools in NY state that still offer Diploma Nursing, is it practical now a days? Not too much. Do they exist? Yes. Here they are:

Arnot Ogden Medical Center - School of Nursing

600 Roe Avenue

Elmira, NY 14905

Phone: (607) 737-4153

Fax: (607) 737-4116

Contact us

NLNAC Accreditation

Degrees/Specialties

Accreditation

NLNAC Accredited Nursing

Diploma Programs

Diploma RN

Associate's

LPN-to-Associate's Degree in Nursing

Bachelor's

Bachelor of Science in Nursing (BSN)

AND

Branford Hall Career Institute - Bohemia

Branford Hall Career Institute , with campuses conveniently located in CT, MA, NY, offers degree and certificate programs with state-of-the-art, computer driven technologies in the field of Healthcare and Information Technology.

Offering Healthcare programs in: Massage Therapy, Medical Assistant, Medical Billing & Coding, Nursing, Nursing (Certificate)

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Specializes in Burn ICU.
Please let me know what they are because I called my old professor to ask and she said they were converted to ADN programs

Beth Isreal School of Nursing

Manhattan

Long Island College Hospital School of Nursing

Brooklyn

Helen Fund School of Nursing

Manhattan or the Bronx

The top two are very competitive programs and very well known programs, I just thought it was wierd that your professor never heard of them. Congrats on your NCLEX

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I think that Beth Israel and LICH are ADN now because I applied there before I started school elsewhere and I know someone that goes to Beth Israel now also. I have heard of the other one but I am not sure.

Thanks for the congrats... i am so excited..can't wait to start working :rolleyes:

Beth Isreal School of Nursing

Manhattan

Long Island College Hospital School of Nursing

Brooklyn

Helen Fund School of Nursing

Manhattan or the Bronx

The top two are very competitive programs and very well known programs, I just thought it was wierd that your professor never heard of them. Congrats on your NCLEX

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And to everyone else that was inquiring according to the NYSNA Board which is what i just looked up there is only ONE diploma program left in the whole state of New York... here is the website for NYSNA:

http://www.nysna.org/PROGRAMS/NED/schools/diploma.htm

Beth Isreal School of Nursing

Manhattan

Long Island College Hospital School of Nursing

Brooklyn

Helen Fund School of Nursing

Manhattan or the Bronx

The top two are very competitive programs and very well known programs, I just thought it was wierd that your professor never heard of them. Congrats on your NCLEX

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I didn't read all the previous posts, so I apologize in advance if this has already been stated.

It doesn't make any sense to require new nurses to have a BSN, especially since there's such a huge nursing shortage. Instead of getting new nurses out in 2 years, it'll take 4 years. The only real difference between an ADN and a BSN is more management and research knowledge on top of a chemistry class or two. That doesn't mean that BSN nurses make better nurses. Are they looking for more nurses or more nurses with management and research knowledge? I'm all for education and getting a BSN if it's feasible, but I don't agree with ending the 2 year nursing programs.

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i can concede that you do have point. i mean, while i think that requiring a master's degree for an elementary level school teacher is ridiculous. the fact is that no one would even consider allowing a teacher into a classroom with anything less than a bachelor's. it isn't even an issue. isn't nursing just as important if not more so than teaching? :) i see what your getting at. however, that said requiring a uniform level of education amongst all nurses will not guarantee automatic respect. i still believe that sexism does play a large role in the bias against viewing nursing with the same level of repsect as some male dominated professions. also, why ask for respect? aren't nurses in the position to demand it at this point?

the world needs really needs you all so desperately. why is it that nurses don't use this to their advantage?

i totally agree with your post.

nursing is not taking seriously because there are so many ways to become a nurse. it only takes 1 year to say that you are a nurse. :crying2:

name one other job where you can go to a vocation/technical school for one year and become a professional and be treated with the utmost dignity and respect?

i can't name a one. that's why nurses don't get the respect or the money that we deserve. that's why there is no difference in pay between a diploma grad and a bsn.

yes, there is a nursing shortage and there will probably always be one but does that mean we cut the education level to achieve the goal of more nurses?

there is no way that medical schools will cut their education requirement because of a physician shortage. does it take one year to become a lawyer, teacher, chemist, engineer? (i could go on).

nurses should not sell ourselves short by only requiring one year to become a nurse. i think new york is doing the right thing by requiring their nurses to have a bsn.

when all nurses are on the same playing field educationally we can then command more autonomy, respect, and monetary incentives.

denise rn, bsn, ccrn

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When ALL nurses are on the same playing field educationally we can then command more autonomy, respect, and monetary incentives.

Denise RN, BSN, CCRN

I understand how this can make sense in theory to some people but my fear is that in addition to squeezing others out of the field by requiring the BSN, we would become more like teachers. Talk about a profession of people who get walked all over daily.

I knew 2 who worked for the Dallas public school system when I was an LVN (God bless them both for trying to control a classroom of teens daily) both were very proud and even pompous about their college degrees and referred to me as a "vocational/technical trained" person but "not educated."

In addition to being walked all over by school administration, no respect from the kids because their parents were just as disrespectful and blamed them for just about everything that was wrong with their kids.

It reminded me of how family members can often treat us.

Their arrogant attitudes about their college degrees in comparison to my 1 year LVN diploma turned into sheer bitterness when they found out that my income was higher than theirs and I put in less time at work than they did.

I see BSN's with their credentials clearly showing on their nametags at work everyday. I fail to see them getting more respect from anyone as a result of it. They too get disrespected by patients, family members, MD's, and administration just like the rest of us.

Ask North Dakota or some of the Canadian provinces how well the BSN requirement went over and what great things it's done for nursing.

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