Is Nursing Right for Me? (Holistic-Minded)

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Hello All,

I'm a pre-nursing student and I'm trying to figure out if nursing is right for me. I have been a massage therapist for 5 years and I love it. Unfortunately, the area I live in is saturated with therapists and it's hard to make a living at it. I also work as an elderly caregiver, working mostly with people with dementia or at hospice levels. I love helping people in any capacity and I have a passion for anything health related.

I grew up in a family that was very health conscious/holistic. We believe that vaccines and medications in general are not great and often harmful and we have no faith in the FDA. We know that the best way to be be healthy is to eat organic non-processed foods and being active.... to avoid microwaves, plastics, msg, artificial sweeteners, aluminum antiperspirants, sodium laurel sulfate, etc.. We practice Reiki and use aromatherapy or a little pot if we are in pain. I'm going into specifics to try and paint a picture instead of just saying 'I'm holistic'. I should also say I'm not an extremist with these beliefs/knowledge, but I do try to generally follow these guidelines to be healthy and proactive.

For a few years now, I have also been in the role of patient advocate for a couple of family members with their many health issues. Our journey has made my family's confidence in the Western health system plummet. My grandmother's kidney dr. told her that it was not important to drink water. Her lung dr. gave her an inhaler that is not meant for people with high blood pressure, even though she has that condition. It sent her into seizures and to the ER. We saw him at a follow up appt and he offered her another inhaler that he assured her would be okay... when we got it home, I read the pamphlet, and again he had given us one not meant for people with hight bp. Her neuro dr. put her on a medication for epilepsy... she has seizures occasionally, due to a chemical exposure, not epilepsy. The meds aged her 20 years within a week. She slept 15 hrs a day, couldn't take care of herself anymore and her hair started falling out. When we spoke to the dr., I told her we wanted to wean her off the meds. She tried to use fear to keep my grandma on them... We finally got the doc's okay after arguing and then low and behold, she got better and thankfully can take care of herself again. I could go on and on about the incompetence of messed up paper work for important blood tests for another family member and how we had to figure out the diagnoses for her ourselves, because teams of drs. did nothing.

All of this lit a fire under me. I wanted to change the system from the inside. I wanted to become a Doctor of Osteopathic medicine so that I could be a primary care provider, educate people on preventative health and help to slow down the over medicating of people. I wanted to be a DO so I would still be in the Western medicine system, but have an education that was more preventative/holistic-minded. I started on that path last year and then did the math ... I am 28 now and I would be 41 by the time I got out of residency. I decided I didn't want to spend my entire 30's broke, stressed and unable to reasonably consider starting a family. I re-evaluated and decided that becoming a nurse and eventually a nurse practitioner would get me to the same primary care role. I also like the flexibility to work 3 or 4 days a week as an RN and ultimately I would have much of the direct patient care that I enjoy.

My concern is that, as an RN, I may end up butting heads with drs. and nurses that are very 'traditional western medicine minded' in the process of trying to help people. I know that overall the system is becoming steadily more accepting of 'alternative' or 'natural' medicine, but I'm still not sure I'll fit in okay. Even though I'm not a fan of vaccines, as a nurse, I understand that it will be my job to give those to people and I am okay with that. In that role, I don't believe it is my duty to share my opinions/knowledge as to why that is not great... that is what the NPs or drs are for. When and if I become an NP in primary care, that is where it is my duty to offer up that information to educate my patients. I am not against all meds. There are definitely times where they are appropriate, but the prescribing doc should take a moment to make sure the meds don't conflict and that there isn't a simpler option available. I would however, have trouble serving the horrible hospital 'food' to sick patients. Chicken boullion with msg, sugary jello and other things with minimal nutritional value... We're trying to heal people, but aren't giving them nutritious foods to heal with.

I help my elderly folks with toileting and bathing with no problems. I love helping people feel better, and educating on health issues. I feel drawn to share the knowledge I have and want to help prevent the overwhelming errors I've seen. I'm sorry this post is sooo long, but I wanted to paint a full picture of who I am and what is motivating me.

So I guess my question is, if I go into nursing, I am going to be the odd duck out and be frustrated by everything I see? I don't want to spend my career biting my tongue. Are any of you similar to me in beliefs and how are you doing in this work environment? Are there certain areas of nursing that may be a better fit for me than others? In addition to primary care, I'm interested in L/D, urgent care, women's care, NICU, home care and hospice. I am in the Northern Colorado area and I know location can have a lot to do with the environments. Where I am it seems to be a little progressive, but not as much as a place like Boulder.

Thanks so much for your time and any advice you can offer me.

Specializes in Pediatric Oncology/BMT.
I am sure there is some merit to this approach to health care, but without scientific data and the required years of test and evidence to back its findings, it has no place in a public health hospital where people expect, and deserve the best treatment possible. On this I will not waiver.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the years of testing and evidence needed to back "its" findings means, as if there is one single approach or treatment in the holistic nursing approach or in complementary/alternative medicine. The testing is being done (http://nccam.nih.gov/), the evidence is being explored for hundreds of alternative/holistic treatments. Some of the evidence supports some treatments, other evidence absolutely debunks long-standing beliefs about the efficacy of various therapies, treatments, herbs, etc...Each case has to be considered, not lumped together as if all things holistic = all things unscientific/without evidence and therefor unsuitable for the hospital.

A review of literature is needed for any new rationale or treatment in the hospital, absolutely. I'm in complete agreement. What I don't agree with is the assumption that by exploring these, using the tools of scientific inquiry and evidence-based practice available to us, this somehow mean there is no place for it in the public health hospital. Your statement assumes that the evidence doesn't show any benefit for "it" (a rather huge generalization) w/ no real clarity on what you're so quickly casting aside as poor treatment options in a place where people "expect and deserve the best treatments possible." What if a pharmaceutical isn't the best treatment possible?? What if a hospital isn't the best place to be treated?? (Actually being/working/studying in the hospital environment has confirmed my feeling that I want to avoid hospitalization at all costs....at least the way they're run now....I'm not sure I trust the system in place to provide the level of care I deserve and require...)

Anyways, don't be so quick to dismiss under the guise of "insufficient evidence." The research and development industry is, unfortuntely, largely profit-driven and far from thorough. I deeply respect the scientific process, but take "research" with a grain of salt.

Specializes in Psych, EMS.

Based on your post, I think you may be disappointed if you choose nursing. Nursing boasts a "holistic" framework, a healing approach towards bio-psycho-social-spiritual needs, a culture of caring, an emphasis on prevention...I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face typing this as many of us in practice can tell you it's bs. Nursing is TASK ORIENTED, there is no time for holistic care with all the med passes, tube feedings, iv starts, foley insertions, blood administration, bathing and brief changing..

Specializes in Step-down, cardiac.

Have you looked at the Journal of Holistic Nursing? That is an entire medical journal, chock full of research and scientific study, that is devoted to holistic nursing. You should check out the AHNA, the Association of Holistic Nurses. I think you'll be pleased. :) And you definitely aren't the only one out there! I saw one of the other posters mentioned midwifery--if you are interested in childbirth, you would probably make an excellent nurse midwife.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Based on your post, I think you may be disappointed if you choose nursing. Nursing boasts a "holistic" framework, a healing approach towards bio-psycho-social-spiritual needs, a culture of caring, an emphasis on prevention...I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face typing this as many of us in practice can tell you it's bs. Nursing is TASK ORIENTED, there is no time for holistic care with all the med passes, tube feedings, iv starts, foley insertions, blood administration, bathing and brief changing..

I think this might vary where you work. The nurses I have seen have time for more patient care and not just doing tasks. A lot of it depends on your hospitals ratios and my hospitals ratios are very good. They are staffed well with CNA's and their isn't much of an excuse for a nurse to not get to do more then tasks with their patients with few exceptions. I have watched nurses with great organizational skills take a very holistic approach with the patients.

Specializes in NICU.

I'll be honest--I don't think you will particularly care for nursing. Nursing may try to be holistic--as in we need to care for the ENTIRE client, not just the disease--but nursing is also VERY focused on Western medicine. One of my classmates is very holistic in your sense of the term, and she is having a VERY hard time with nursing. She understands the material just fine, but it often goes against what she believe. I think she may end up dropping out. It just depends on how flexible you are and what area of nursing you intend on going into.

And, you should probably be careful with the pot. Some places do drug testing.

Specializes in Emergency/Trauma.

i share some of your ideals and so far, as a nursing student, i LOVE it. it's just key to remember "to each their own". don't be judgmental with your patients and colleagues beliefs, etc, and you will be fine. i also agree than rn-midwife would be an excellent role for you.

(also, even as a student, you will find yourself catching dr's mistakes, like the med mistake you described, quite a bit)

The problem you will find in nursing will not be so much close-mindedness (although it is there), but a lack of time and resources to practice holistically.

Nursing encompasses the entire person. The reality of nursing is there is often no time to do much more than ADLs and physicians' orders.

Thanks Everyone,

I really appreciate all of your responses. I have felt a pull to become a midwife for many years. My mom trained as a midwife years ago and ended up being a patient/woman advocate for the local hospital here for little while. I've grown up with a lot of that knowledge imparted from her. I helped with the birth of my sister's 2 children in a hospital with her midwife. I have a few concerns on the crazy hours I might have to work and that I'm not sure there are many people hiring CNM's in my area. If I can't be in with a group of midwives, it might be nice to find a progressive private practice dr. to join up with and take care of the ob/gyn side for him.

I ideally feel like an FNP role is what I'm being called to do, but the schooling for that, and frankly for the CNM, seems a bit daunting. I'm currently working 3 jobs while taking just a couple classes and I'm exhausted and not keeping up with the work as I should. I am able to soak up information easily though, so I'm able to still get by with good grades. I do have it planned out so that I'll have enough money saved to not work during RN school, so I can fully devote myself to that. Once I'm a nurse though, it seems like that hard work might tucker me out for continuing on with a BSN and beyond. And then trying to fit in having a kid in there somewhere, oy! LOL I guess that's why I basically got to this confusion point in the first place. All of this is a lot of school, time, and money and that's why I really want to make sure this is the right path.

I completely understand what some of you mentioned, that nursing tries to be holistic in a sense, but you often don't have time. In my elderly care work, I'm in nursing homes sometimes, and those poor CNA's are run ragged, just trying to get the basics done. I feel for you all and appreciate the devotion to care that many of you all provide.

I also very much enjoy hospice work. I feel honored to be of assistance during that time of transition and want to do everything I can to help the process be dignified and peaceful. The only reason I'm not particularly drawn to being a hospice nurse is that I feel like I want to be on the preventative side of things. And doing hospice long term, full time seems like it would be draining.

Thanks northstarONC for mentioning the research that is being done on 'alternative therapies'. There are a lot of great findings out there that show what this stuff can do. And as much as I'm into all of that stuff for myself, it's not something that I am interested in pushing on others. I'm mostly focused on helping people understand what real good nutrition is, how to stay hydrated, stretch, move, and to make sure meds don't conflict. Those are basic things that doctors who my family/friends see don't seem to address. I have grown up in a society that thinks I'm weird for my beliefs and people are just now finally coming around more towards my side of things. So I have a lifetime of experience not talking about this stuff to anyone unless they seem particularly interested and open to it. I help to educate my massage clients all the time with the basics I mentioned and it's great to see them improve.

To the ones that don't think nursing is for me, I also very much appreciate your opinions and I do agree that I don't think I'm a good fit for a typical hospital setting that is just managing disease with pills and surgery and bad hospital food. Again, I'm not totally against pills and surgery, they have their place. I would like to get some hospital experience initially to be exposed to a variety of conditions, but I should probably stick with woman/baby care or a clinic instead of med/surg.

Thanks to the people who mentioned holistic nursing. I've looked into that and while I'm very interested, I don't quite know who hires people who specialize in that. I read a list of the most common specialties that use it, like oncology, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around that scope of practice. It's lovely to know that it's out there though. :) And one of you mentioned something similar that my sister was saying today... there is an entire community of people in my area who are holistic/alternative/progressive that are completely frustrated that they can't find drs. and nurses that share similar views, and it would be nice to have a few more people in the system on their side. So while I'm still going to investigate further, I'm feeling like I will have many niches and environments to explore within nursing to find a good fit for myself.

Thanks again for your information and opinions (and for reading through my super long posts) :D

I totally understand your thoughts. I take a more natural normal approach with myself and my kids...little example, I had strep throat a few weeks ago and treated it by eating garlic cloves, lol....so I feel ya! A lot of times so far nursing school has been annoying but I bite my tongue and move on. If you're a natural minded person, you'll HATE maternity! I just finished and I almost went insane, lol. Between the inducing/c-sections, bottles, mutilating babies, newborn vaccines, etc etc....L&D might not be for you. It was tough and luckily it was only 7 weeks. Now what I've worked into my mind is that I can gladly give a 50 year old guy his cholestrol med or a 20 year old girl her antibiotic to clear up her UTI but for myself and my family it wouldn't be something I would choose to do. It's a job and if it's what these people "need" then so be it. I'm not letting my natural minded self get in the way of doing what I've wanted to do even before I felt the way I do about certain issues. I just know there's certain areas, such as maternity, that I never went to step foot in again. There's holistic doctors offices you can try? Don't let the ignorant comments of some turn you away from what you want to do.

I totally understand your thoughts. I take a more natural normal approach with myself and my kids...little example, I had strep throat a few weeks ago and treated it by eating garlic cloves, lol....so I feel ya! A lot of times so far nursing school has been annoying but I bite my tongue and move on. If you're a natural minded person, you'll HATE maternity! I just finished and I almost went insane, lol. Between the inducing/c-sections, bottles, mutilating babies, newborn vaccines, etc etc....L&D might not be for you. It was tough and luckily it was only 7 weeks. Now what I've worked into my mind is that I can gladly give a 50 year old guy his cholestrol med or a 20 year old girl her antibiotic to clear up her UTI but for myself and my family it wouldn't be something I would choose to do. It's a job and if it's what these people "need" then so be it. I'm not letting my natural minded self get in the way of doing what I've wanted to do even before I felt the way I do about certain issues. I just know there's certain areas, such as maternity, that I never went to step foot in again. There's holistic doctors offices you can try? Don't let the ignorant comments of some turn you away from what you want to do.

Thanks CrunchyMama :)

What setting and specialty do you work in? I understand what you mean by L/D having somethings that would frustrate me. I used to watch 'A Baby Story' on tv religiously until I got fed up with seeing a woman progressing a little slow for the doc, adding pitocin, mom's now in painful, intense labor from it, so bring on the pain drugs, and then often needing a c-section because of it all. I watch the show every once in a while now and it is getting better with the times. More natural births and midwives. The hospital near me that my sister birthed in is actually on the progressive side, with nice dimly lit rooms, breastfeeding is encouraged, and vaccines and mutilations are up for the parents to decide, with no pressure. If I do decide to go the midwife route, I think that experience in a traditional L/D would actually help me to know what I might not want to do and to have a clear understanding to explain the differences in care to my patients.

Now you were mentioning giving an antibiotic for a UTI. I have no issue with doing that, but I would like to tell the patient that after they've completed the full round of meds, it would be good to eat some natural yogurt with the good bacteria in it to replace the stuff the meds killed. Is that allowed and appropriate for a nurse to say? Because those are the kinds of things I like to educate on.

Yay garlic! :yeah:

Thanks CrunchyMama :)

What setting and specialty do you work in? I understand what you mean by L/D having somethings that would frustrate me. I used to watch 'A Baby Story' on tv religiously until I got fed up with seeing a woman progressing a little slow for the doc, adding pitocin, mom's now in painful, intense labor from it, so bring on the pain drugs, and then often needing a c-section because of it all. I watch the show every once in a while now and it is getting better with the times. More natural births and midwives. The hospital near me that my sister birthed in is actually on the progressive side, with nice dimly lit rooms, breastfeeding is encouraged, and vaccines and mutilations are up for the parents to decide, with no pressure. If I do decide to go the midwife route, I think that experience in a traditional L/D would actually help me to know what I might not want to do and to have a clear understanding to explain the differences in care to my patients.

Now you were mentioning giving an antibiotic for a UTI. I have no issue with doing that, but I would like to tell the patient that after they've completed the full round of meds, it would be good to eat some natural yogurt with the good bacteria in it to replace the stuff the meds killed. Is that allowed and appropriate for a nurse to say? Because those are the kinds of things I like to educate on.

Yay garlic! :yeah:

I'm happy! LOL....it's hard to find like minded people....especially nursing students/nurses. I'm still in nursing school. I'm in my 2nd semester, I just finished maternity and I started psych yesterday (which I'm loving so far). Having been through 2 semesters so far, I can totally understand why healthcare professionals think the way they do. Ok...I'm pretty passionate about breastfeeding and NOT circumcising (please no stupid comments from anyone) and in class we never went over anything in regards to that. I mean breastfeeding was covered a little but not in depth like it should be. The ignorant comments from my clinical classmates (future nurses) are proof that we need to fix nursing programs, same goes for doctors. Healthcare providers know squat about breastfeeding (and not circ'ing) because they're not taught up to date info. Ya know what we learned about circ'ing? To put vasoline and gauze on the wound. That's it!! Never went into detail on how it's done, the risks involved, what the foreskin is for (that info wasn't even in our book)...nothing! Same with when I was in A&P...the only thing mentioned about the foreskin was that it routinely gets removed during a circumcision! It's just crazy! No wonder why America is the only country still doing this....look what we're taught! And yeah I stopped watching baby shows years ago, lol.....

I'm happy! LOL....it's hard to find like minded people....especially nursing students/nurses. I'm still in nursing school. I'm in my 2nd semester, I just finished maternity and I started psych yesterday (which I'm loving so far). Having been through 2 semesters so far, I can totally understand why healthcare professionals think the way they do. Ok...I'm pretty passionate about breastfeeding and NOT circumcising (please no stupid comments from anyone) and in class we never went over anything in regards to that. I mean breastfeeding was covered a little but not in depth like it should be. The ignorant comments from my clinical classmates (future nurses) are proof that we need to fix nursing programs, same goes for doctors. Healthcare providers know squat about breastfeeding (and not circ'ing) because they're not taught up to date info. Ya know what we learned about circ'ing? To put vasoline and gauze on the wound. That's it!! Never went into detail on how it's done, the risks involved, what the foreskin is for (that info wasn't even in our book)...nothing! Same with when I was in A&P...the only thing mentioned about the foreskin was that it routinely gets removed during a circumcision! It's just crazy! No wonder why America is the only country still doing this....look what we're taught! And yeah I stopped watching baby shows years ago, lol.....

Interesting... I would think that since it's becoming common knowledge that breastfeeding is the best option for the baby's immune system, that would be mentioned in school. I think programs probably vary widely in content based on the community they are in and the point of view of each teacher. A program in Boulder, Boston, or San Fran may include more progressive/holistic stuff than one in Kansas or Alabama.

If you research the origins of medical and nursing schools in this country, they were created and funded by pharmaceutical companies. Those companies also created much of the curriculum, so of course, that's what western medicine in this country focused on.

They want you to put vasoline on a wound? Does petroleum have healing properties? Couldn't they at least use something like neosporin?

I love psych stuff, but what does a nurse do in that environment besides handing out pills... or maybe cleaning up self-inflicted wounds?

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