Is lying the new norm?

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I have applied for a couple of DON positions at local home health companies and have been called for interviews. At 3 of the interviews, I find out that the DON position doesn't exist, they are just trying to get field nurses. They have even been brazen enough to say that its the only way to get any applications, as no one wants to be a field nurse anymore. My reply is simply "and you think lying like this is going to help get employees?". I then get up, gather my things and leave! Is this becoming the norm in nursing, all specialties//locations, or is it just home health, or my locale (south central Indiana)? Please tell me there is some honesty in hiring left in our profession.

Specializes in Neuro ICU and Med Surg.
Its bad considering that I'm about 45 min-1hr away from everywhere. I even specifically ask before going after the first incident. The lady yesterday grabbed my arm and tried to force me back into the chair when I went to leave. I called their corp office, but doubt it will do any good......sad.....

WOW! I am glad I have never had any experience like that at an interview. That really proves you didn't want to work for them.

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Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

It's my experience that home health agencies tend to bait and switch more than hospitals or larger outpatient facilities. I don't think capitalism and dishonesty go hand in hand. One of the most ethical companies I ever worked for was a for-profit partnership.

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Specializes in Skilled Nursing/Rehab.

I can't believe someone actually grabbed your arm and tried to get you to stay! I am afraid that if someone did that to me, I may just reflexively punch them! That wouldn't go over too well.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
It's my experience that home health agencies tend to bait and switch more than hospitals or larger outpatient facilities. I don't think capitalism and dishonesty go hand in hand. One of the most ethical companies I ever worked for was a for-profit partnership.

What do you think is the trend in the free market? Are we experiencing a trend toward compassionate, ethical, and generous employers?

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Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

I don"t think human traits can be ascribed to economic models, generally speaking that is done in the context of a political argument. The same thing is done when the topic is labor vs management and the assuming of personality traits based on income.

If by "free market" you mean the current healthcare system, and I wanted to argue about that I wouldn't agree that ours is entirely a free market system. I don"t want to wade into the ACA debate here, though.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
I don"t think human traits can be ascribed to economic models, generally speaking that is done in the context of a political argument. The same thing is done when the topic is labor vs management and the assuming of personality traits based on income.

If by "free market" you mean the current healthcare system, and I wanted to argue about that I wouldn't agree that ours is entirely a free market system. I don"t want to wade into the ACA debate here, though.

Do you think that the financial/banking industry is exempt from ethical behavior because that is some human trait or expectation? Is Walmart an ethical or compassionate employer?

Why can we not assign personality traits to corporate 'citizens' if corporations are people as has been determined by Justice Roberts?

By the 'free market' I mean our capitalist economy, the way we do business in this country.

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Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

I've never heard of such a thing. I do the interviewing for my facility for most licensed positions and wouldn't think of doing that. I have, on occasion, asked someone who came in to interview for a staff nurse position if they would be interested in a supervisor job, but that's not at all the same thing.

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Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Do you think that the financial/banking industry is exempt from ethical behavior because that is some human trait or expectation? Is Walmart an ethical or compassionate employer?

Why can we not assign personality traits to corporate 'citizens' if corporations are people as has been determined by Justice Roberts?

By the 'free market' I mean our capitalist economy, the way we do business in this country.

I see that you seem to be interested in drawing me into an argument or two and perhaps that is my fault for responding to your capitalism=selfish statement to defend a group of the most decent individuals I could ever hope to know. I believe I made my point pretty clear already and don't wish to derail RNinIn's thread.

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Having a (relatively) free market for labor takes away the power from the types of liars the OP is dealing with. They believe that they need to lie to you for a reason; because their company is most likely a poor place to work. Trial and error on their part will prove that it is not a lasting strategy for them. To the OP's point, I'd stay far away immediately from anywhere that lies to you like that, but I would definitely keep searching for the one company that does not.

To whoever brought up free markets and capitalism: you have a lot of learning to do if you believe that the U.S. is truly a free market system, especially healthcare; to the point where I would not even take anything you say seriously if you do believe this. Liars and cheaters will always exist because of human nature. It is better that they exist in a free market society characterized by voluntary transactions (i.e; you can say no to them) than by government bureaucrats who will manipulate you with the ultimate threat of force.

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This happened to me I was led to believe I would be working in an outpatient surgery center but its actually a surgery clinic. I am livid. I don't know what to do. I am not in your area, so this is happening everywhere.

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I was hired one time with a promise that what I was looking for would be available soon. That turned out to be a misrepresentation on two points. I won't elaborate on the other humdinger that this employer pulled on me because it could be too identifiable. Let us put it this way: it would make for an excellent lawsuit on my part, but we all know what happens to people who sue employers, now don't we?

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Specializes in hospice.
I see that you seem to be interested in drawing me into an argument or two and perhaps that is my fault for responding to your capitalism=selfish statement to defend a group of the most decent individuals I could ever hope to know. I believe I made my point pretty clear already and don't wish to derail RNinIn's thread.

Great response. :up:

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