hello.....just wondering if any instructors or past instructors come here?
if so....or anyone can jump in and tell me what they think on this one.....
ok...I am in a 10mo LPN program...I am 45 and the range in class is 20 to 40's........in my clinical group there are 8 of us......3 or 4 out of the 8 i can see being good nurses.....the others.....no so....even though one is very book smart,she is the 20 yr ol by the way......she is not the caring compasionate person that a nurse should be....she looks down on PTs,makes fun of them in our conference room and mostly just sits in there doing nothin......she and the others look up VS on the computer for their nurses note...even though we are to take our own.....they do half poop care on the PTs.....AND one is nothing but a drunk....she comes in smelling of the nights before beer binge.....she is 26 and has a 3 yr ol daughter....now i know what people do in there private time is no concern....this person also comes to class straight from the bars in the morning....you can smell the alcohol in the classroom.....the instructors know this....this person is down to NO hours left to miss.....we get 40hrs in sept......she now has none....even if she is 5 mins late....either for class or clinic....BUT...our clinic instructor does not deduct the time...she has taken this girl under her wing to get her thru school...she is very smart....and i think if she got her life together she would be a good nurse...but she has tried several times this year to quit drinking.....she talks about it all the time....she counts down the hours till she can leave shcool to go get drunk.....one of our instructors gave her a ride home one morning drunk fro school.....she had forgotten we didnt have school one day and showed up.....
NOW..my question....should a instructorin good moral standing and good conscious let this person out in the world of nursing?(by instructor,i mean the head)
also....our clinical instructor is a teaching aide for our class.....we have 2 instructors...one in the morning and one in the afternoon.....the aide does like the med testing on us and such....no teaching.....she is our clinical instrutor...she is 33.....and acts like she is 19.....she flirts with the PTs family young sons....or guy who might be in the hall or in the dinning room....she constantly talks about her sex life and what she does....with the younger gals in our clinic....i am NOT learning anything from her and I hate clinic...as well as a couple of the other older gals who are there to become the best nurses we can be.....so we take it upon ourselves to search out nurses on our floor to help us......i had a nurse come up to me one day and ask it our instructor was a bit on the wacky side....not good...also.....when our head instructor of the program comes in to observe she a different person.....in charge,bossy,telling us what to do,what lab values to look for....just a show....i feel like standing up and saying this is NOT how it is.....but i have to pass clinical.....so i dont........
cause i think she is the type of person if she doesnt like you,she will fail you.....
Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
There is nothing scientific about nursing! Except calculations and working in a lab. WHich most nurses dont'. Yes you have to know some calculations and pathophysiology, but it doesn't take a genius to be a nurse.
Excuse me? "Some" calculations and pathophysiology huh? What lab do you think professional licensed nurses work in? I've never heard of or seen one. What a cake job that would be! I worked medical units where we had old alcoholics with cirrhosis who were puking up blood because of their GI bleeding, COPDers coughing and hacking up every color of sputum you can dream up, stroke patients who couldn't move a muscle, or dementia patients screaming for their mothers who had died long ago while diarrhea poured out of them. All had multiple problems. I was thinking critically throughout my work day and making decisions affecting the care and outcome of these patients, and that's very scientific. That's what a professional RN does. We're not emotional airheads that are paid or have enough time to do nothing but hold patient hands and fluff pillows! That only happens on TV dramas. If you finish RN school you have a very rude awakening coming.
QUite the contrary- I highly respect the nursing field and yes I've done all to get back in. Sorry If I offended anyone here, that was not my purpose. My discipline as a whole in nursing is caring for my patients. Doing what is right for them. Not sit here and argue about ethics and nursing, nursing is not a culture by the way. It is a practice like medicine. (But to some it's a culture for those who like to live in clicks and inuendoes, but thats not for me.) Sorry, my patients are more important than that.
Nursing has a culture ... just like medicine has a culture, philosophy has a culture, individual patient care units have cultures, etc. Perhaps you should take a cultural anthropology course and learn a little about what a culture is.
As for nursing science ... Nursing is both an art (practice) and a science (knowledge gained through scientific study and the practice of scientific nursing research). If you want to take good care of your patients, you'll need to master the science of nursing. You might want to reconsider that whole "nursing is not scientific" attitude.
Excuse me? "Some" calculations and pathophysiology huh? What lab do you think professional licensed nurses work in? I've never heard of or seen one. What a cake job that would be! I worked medical units where we had old alcoholics with cirrhosis who were puking up blood because of their GI bleeding, COPDers coughing and hacking up every color of sputum you can dream up, stroke patients who couldn't move a muscle, or dementia patients screaming for their mothers who had died long ago while diarrhea poured out of them. All had multiple problems. I was thinking critically throughout my work day and making decisions affecting the care and outcome of these patients, and that's very scientific. That's what a professional RN does. We're not emotional airheads that are paid or have enough time to do nothing but hold patient hands and fluff pillows! That only happens on TV dramas. If you finish RN school you have a very rude awakening coming.
:yawn:thank you all for proving my point, you instructors ae quick to criticize not taking into account where you came from.
I've taken every class I need for RN but am in the LVN program, iand I've taken cultural anthropology. I did my labs like everybody else.
Yeh, like holding a youths hand in the hospital while dr. is debriding his leg after removing the wound vac, is that too much for you, I was aiding the wound clinic while in training.
With the shortage of nursing instructors it is no wonder there are some bad ones out there. And there are. In our program we have some great, mostly good ones but there are a couple borderline, and one really bad. Just like in any job unfortunately and more so if there is a shortage.
We have one that definitely has mental problems and a really bad temper with she has shown in class and in clinicals - she will lose it in front of everyone, slam doors, yell, etc. She does target specific students that share certain traits but I don't think she realizes it because she is ill herself.
I don't think she will stay in our program very long and as soon as they find someone new, they will get rid of her. And it will make our program better.
Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
thank you all for proving my point, you instructors ae quick to criticize not taking into account where you came from.
i've taken every class i need for rn but am in the lvn program, iand i've taken cultural anthropology. i did my labs like everybody else.
yeh, like holding a youths hand in the hospital while dr. is debriding his leg after removing the wound vac, is that too much for you, i was aiding the wound clinic while in training.
no, it's not too much to hold a patient's hand while a doctor is doing a procedure on them, but that isn't something that takes up an entire workday, believe me.
but, for someone who has this as a history. . .
i am 49 years old and finished 2nd semester in december, i was dropped from clinical portion the day before the semester ended. long story.
that's a heck of a reference for someone who is talking about clinical nursing as if they were some kind of expert! why should we pay attention to anything you have to say?
and, i know where i came from. let me tell you who you are butting heads with. i was a nursing assistant in a nursing home when i was a nursing student. i worked very hard at it. i was turning my patients and toileting them regularly while other aides were just letting their patients be incontinent and then cleaning them up. i used my nursing home experience to practice what i was learning in school while the other aides laughed and scoffed at me for it. and when i went back there to work as an rn and charge nurse, some of the fine lpn charge nurses were quick to recommend that i follow sloppy, time saving short cuts that were bad nursing practice in order to finish tasks quickly in order to take breaks and chit chat with them. sorry, didn't do that. i worked on a busy medical stepdown with lpn team mates where we did all the hands on care for patients who were on ventilators and had trachs, et tubes, chest tubes, bellies filleted from sternum to pubis and drains coming out from everywhere, bellies bloated with ascites, heart failure, strokes and any other kind of medical condition that landed them on telemetry. we worked hard turning and keeping patients comfortable. we had code blues more than the regular medical units. i never got a chance to sit down. i was promoted into supervision after years of being hounded about it because of my esprit de corps in working together with people and motivating them. that's where i'm coming from--someone with a great deal of clinical experience--30+ years of it. i've been in nursing homes, acute hospitals, supervision and management and my focus has always been toward clinical nursing and patient care. i love being around people and i always made time to listen and attend to the emotional needs of my patients even when i knew that i was getting behind in my other work. i compensated by being able to reorganize and prioritize what i had to do. i was around during the primary nursing care years when we didn't have cnas to help out in the acute hospitals and we rns did all the nursing care ourselves. we wrote the book on multitasking.
you have no clue about the reality that lies ahead for you if you make it through nursing school. the job of your nursing instructors is to evaluate if students are going to be able to cut the mustard in that world of reality because they have been there and know what it is. it ain't just holding patient's hands, although that is an admirable thing to do.
:yawn:thank you all for proving my point, you instructors ae quick to criticize not taking into account where you came from.
I've taken every class I need for RN but am in the LVN program, iand I've taken cultural anthropology. I did my labs like everybody else.
Yeh, like holding a youths hand in the hospital while dr. is debriding his leg after removing the wound vac, is that too much for you, I was aiding the wound clinic while in training.
:yawn:thank you all for proving my point, you instructors ae quick to criticize not taking into account where you came from.
I've taken every class I need for RN but am in the LVN program, iand I've taken cultural anthropology. I did my labs like everybody else.
Yeh, like holding a youths hand in the hospital while dr. is debriding his leg after removing the wound vac, is that too much for you, I was aiding the wound clinic while in training.
If you have taken every class you need for RN ... they why not take the NCLEX-RN and be one?! Why?? I'll tell you why. It's because you have NOT taken all the classes you need for an RN. You only took a couple of the pre-req's -- courses that are not nursing and that are taught by non-nurses. When you got to the nursing courses, you flunked out of school. That hardly makes you an expert on nursing.
... and if you have such hatred and disrespect for the profession of nursing ... why are you even trying to become a nurse in the first place?
no, it's not too much to hold a patient's hand while a doctor is doing a procedure on them, but that isn't something that takes up an entire workday, believe me.
but, for someone who has this as a history. . .
i am 49 years old and finished 2nd semester in december, i was dropped from clinical portion the day before the semester ended. long story.
that's a heck of a reference for someone who is talking about clinical nursing as if they were some kind of expert! why should we pay attention to anything you have to say?
and, i know where i came from. let me tell you who you are butting heads with. i was a nursing assistant in a nursing home when i was a nursing student. i worked very hard at it. i was turning my patients and toileting them regularly while other aides were just letting their patients be incontinent and then cleaning them up. i used my nursing home experience to practice what i was learning in school while the other aides laughed and scoffed at me for it. and when i went back there to work as an rn and charge nurse, some of the fine lpn charge nurses were quick to recommend that i follow sloppy, time saving short cuts that were bad nursing practice in order to finish tasks quickly in order to take breaks and chit chat with them. sorry, didn't do that. i worked on a busy medical stepdown with lpn team mates where we did all the hands on care for patients who were on ventilators and had trachs, et tubes, chest tubes, bellies filleted from sternum to pubis and drains coming out from everywhere, bellies bloated with ascites, heart failure, strokes and any other kind of medical condition that landed them on telemetry. we worked hard turning and keeping patients comfortable. we had code blues more than the regular medical units. i never got a chance to sit down. i was promoted into supervision after years of being hounded about it because of my esprit de corps in working together with people and motivating them. that's where i'm coming from--someone with a great deal of clinical experience--30+ years of it. i've been in nursing homes, acute hospitals, supervision and management and my focus has always been toward clinical nursing and patient care. i love being around people and i always made time to listen and attend to the emotional needs of my patients even when i knew that i was getting behind in my other work. i compensated by being able to reorganize and prioritize what i had to do. i was around during the primary nursing care years when we didn't have cnas to help out in the acute hospitals and we rns did all the nursing care ourselves. we wrote the book on multitasking.
you have no clue about the reality that lies ahead for you if you make it through nursing school. the job of your nursing instructors is to evaluate if students are going to be able to cut the mustard in that world of reality because they have been there and know what it is. it ain't just holding patient's hands, although that is an admirable thing to do.
i dont know why you keep going on about this? i have done the same thing as cna for 7 years and working in a sub acute facility.
I dont know why you keep going on about this? I have done the same thing as CNA for 7 years and working in a sub acute facility.
Ok, I've read this whole post and I guess I don't know what your point is Peaches. Are you merely looking for a place to vent about how unfairly the world has treated you?
As near as I can tell, it's that or you just want to argue with people who seem to have far more knowledge and experience than you do.
If you have taken every class you need for RN ... they why not take the NCLEX-RN and be one?! Why?? I'll tell you why. It's because you have NOT taken all the classes you need for an RN. You only took a couple of the pre-req's -- courses that are not nursing and that are taught by non-nurses. When you got to the nursing courses, you flunked out of school. That hardly makes you an expert on nursing.
... and if you have such hatred and disrespect for the profession of nursing ... why are you even trying to become a nurse in the first place?
I have no hatred or disrepect toward nursing , or students or teachers, I only had a problem with one and she used others to manipulate situations. I took ALL pre-req's for the RN including microbiology, anatomy , physiology and just graduated from the college with an AA in social and behavioral sciences, with minor in Psych. I dont need to prove anything here, all I was trying to say is....teacher's in clinical should spend more time teaching rather than rebuking.
That would make a better nurses and make a better atmosphere for all. I never flunked any nursing courses I made A's and B's in theory classes. The only thing that happened was I forgot to look at a patients name band on the Last day. ANd with being with new clinical teacher that day--I was nervous and she she pressured for info and I buckled. That's It. No doubt I need to learn alot, but there's no reason for everone here to say I'm not going to make it or criticize me for making comment about MY experience. My experience aside from this was great, I loved OR and working ambulatory services. I learned alot and am hoping to take what I've learned to go back to my nursing home and work as an LVN.
I dont need to prove anything here, all I was trying to say is....teacher's in clinical should spend more time teaching rather than rebuking.
Maybe some students should spend more time studying and less time critiquing the professors that, ahem, already ARE nurses! You are an expert in one thing, blaming other people for your short comings! :argue: I have met people that exhibit the behaviors you portray. Look, we all have our problems, and nobody's perfect. A part of growing up is realizing that as bad as you may want to, you do not have all the answers. I hope you never find yourself in a position where you need the expertise of someone with more experience than you, but find that you have burned that bridge with your selfish know-it-all attitude (Daytonite comes to mind).
Daytonite, you are a great poster, I appreciate your wisdom!
With the shortage of nursing instructors it is no wonder there are some bad ones out there. And there are. In our program we have some great, mostly good ones but there are a couple borderline, and one really bad. Just like in any job unfortunately and more so if there is a shortage.
We have one that definitely has mental problems and a really bad temper with she has shown in class and in clinicals - she will lose it in front of everyone, slam doors, yell, etc. She does target specific students that share certain traits but I don't think she realizes it because she is ill herself.
I don't think she will stay in our program very long and as soon as they find someone new, they will get rid of her. And it will make our program better.
Thank you, now i've found someone that knows what I'm talking about, thanks for the post. and thanks for not criticizing, although I did make some comment here I should ot have made and I'm sorry for that.
Daytonite, BSN, RN
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Excuse me? "Some" calculations and pathophysiology huh? What lab do you think professional licensed nurses work in? I've never heard of or seen one. What a cake job that would be! I worked medical units where we had old alcoholics with cirrhosis who were puking up blood because of their GI bleeding, COPDers coughing and hacking up every color of sputum you can dream up, stroke patients who couldn't move a muscle, or dementia patients screaming for their mothers who had died long ago while diarrhea poured out of them. All had multiple problems. I was thinking critically throughout my work day and making decisions affecting the care and outcome of these patients, and that's very scientific. That's what a professional RN does. We're not emotional airheads that are paid or have enough time to do nothing but hold patient hands and fluff pillows! That only happens on TV dramas. If you finish RN school you have a very rude awakening coming.