hello.....just wondering if any instructors or past instructors come here?
if so....or anyone can jump in and tell me what they think on this one.....
ok...I am in a 10mo LPN program...I am 45 and the range in class is 20 to 40's........in my clinical group there are 8 of us......3 or 4 out of the 8 i can see being good nurses.....the others.....no so....even though one is very book smart,she is the 20 yr ol by the way......she is not the caring compasionate person that a nurse should be....she looks down on PTs,makes fun of them in our conference room and mostly just sits in there doing nothin......she and the others look up VS on the computer for their nurses note...even though we are to take our own.....they do half poop care on the PTs.....AND one is nothing but a drunk....she comes in smelling of the nights before beer binge.....she is 26 and has a 3 yr ol daughter....now i know what people do in there private time is no concern....this person also comes to class straight from the bars in the morning....you can smell the alcohol in the classroom.....the instructors know this....this person is down to NO hours left to miss.....we get 40hrs in sept......she now has none....even if she is 5 mins late....either for class or clinic....BUT...our clinic instructor does not deduct the time...she has taken this girl under her wing to get her thru school...she is very smart....and i think if she got her life together she would be a good nurse...but she has tried several times this year to quit drinking.....she talks about it all the time....she counts down the hours till she can leave shcool to go get drunk.....one of our instructors gave her a ride home one morning drunk fro school.....she had forgotten we didnt have school one day and showed up.....
NOW..my question....should a instructorin good moral standing and good conscious let this person out in the world of nursing?(by instructor,i mean the head)
also....our clinical instructor is a teaching aide for our class.....we have 2 instructors...one in the morning and one in the afternoon.....the aide does like the med testing on us and such....no teaching.....she is our clinical instrutor...she is 33.....and acts like she is 19.....she flirts with the PTs family young sons....or guy who might be in the hall or in the dinning room....she constantly talks about her sex life and what she does....with the younger gals in our clinic....i am NOT learning anything from her and I hate clinic...as well as a couple of the other older gals who are there to become the best nurses we can be.....so we take it upon ourselves to search out nurses on our floor to help us......i had a nurse come up to me one day and ask it our instructor was a bit on the wacky side....not good...also.....when our head instructor of the program comes in to observe she a different person.....in charge,bossy,telling us what to do,what lab values to look for....just a show....i feel like standing up and saying this is NOT how it is.....but i have to pass clinical.....so i dont........
cause i think she is the type of person if she doesnt like you,she will fail you.....
Maybe some students should spend more time studying and less time critiquing the professors that, ahem, already ARE nurses! You are an expert in one thing, blaming other people for your short comings! :argue: I have met people that exhibit the behaviors you portray. Look, we all have our problems, and nobody's perfect. A part of growing up is realizing that as bad as you may want to, you do not have all the answers. I hope you never find yourself in a position where you need the expertise of someone with more experience than you, but find that you have burned that bridge with your selfish know-it-all attitude (Daytonite comes to mind).
Daytonite, you are a great poster, I appreciate your wisdom!
WOW, I guess I hit some raw nerves here, with my post, I originally posted to te original poster about gossiping students, I dont know how it all led to this.
Ok, I've read this whole post and I guess I don't know what your point is Peaches. Are you merely looking for a place to vent about how unfairly the world has treated you?
As near as I can tell, it's that or you just want to argue with people who seem to have far more knowledge and experience than you do.
Either way, I'm out.
Peace,
CuriousMe
No i just made one comment to original poster here, and all heck broke loose. No I wasn't looking toward venting about how the whole world has treated me. I have a lot t learn, but what I'm trying to do is learn how to deal with certain personality characteristics in the clinical setting. Because personalities clash and you need to learn to get along, especially with the instructors.
I hope you never find yourself in a position where you need the expertise of someone with more experience than you, but find that you have burned that bridge with your selfish know-it-all attitude (Daytonite comes to mind).
Not sure what this means, but I welcome expert advise.
wow...this has been some thread; are these types of threads common in the student section? Seems there is a gross lack on insight being displayed by some.
Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
i have done the same thing as cna for 7 years and working in a sub acute facility.
but you haven't done what i have been doing as an rn for 30 some years. i have been doing what you have been doing as a cna--and more.
the only thing that happened was i forgot to look at a patients name band on the last day. and with being with new clinical teacher that day--i was nervous and she she pressured for info and i buckled.
no, it wasn't the only thing. as llg has said, and in addition to being a staff nurse, i've been an instructor, a supervisor and a manager in teaching hospitals, i will confirm that no one has absolute power to get someone dismissed from a job or an educational program. it's a decision made by a group of people. from the perspective i come from, it's an expensive endeavor to get each person hired in the first place, so it's wasted money to just arbitrarily cut them from the rest of the pack without at least making efforts to get some kind of return on the investment that was made to employ them. i also know that nursing programs are very expensive for schools to run, so they need to show student success and it isn't by dismissing students from their programs. the fact that your dismissal happened on the last day of clinicals tells me that other incidents went on before. it makes no rational sense that a clinical instructor (teacher) would invite any kind of confrontation with a student they were just having for the first time. she obviously observed something immediately that probably confirmed what another instructor had seen as well. i know from my management experience that getting the same observation of wrongdoing from another witness is always good confirmation. it just happened to occur on your last day of clinicals is all. so, i'm thinking that there are parts to your story that you conveniently left out. not looking at a patient's name band is a safety issue. not being able to answer an instructor's questions has to do with not being prepared or having done the studying. and, we all get nervous. did you know the information you were asked for, or not? wait until a doctor pressures you for information about his patient! that happens to rns all the time. he'll go to your boss if he doesn't like your answers! there's no theory classes on the job. it's all clinical work. i'm willing to bet one or both of these issues had come up before and that they are documented in writing as well in a file back at the nursing school.
one of the things we all have to learn to do is to take responsibility for the errors we make, correct them, and improve our practice as we move on. we all make mistakes. but we only progress when we learn from them. it's unproductive to hold on to negative attitudes and emotions about our or others shortcomings. it is better to look for what is good in people. and, i'll tell you right now because i worked in ltc a lot, nursing home staffs are notorious for cultivating negative attitudes. people laugh at the idea of a miss goody two shoes, but i'll tell you this, the miss goody two shoes of the world are far more successful, happy and move into higher positions than the people sitting around wasting their time criticizing and complaining all the time. think i'm wrong? start really watching and paying attention to the losers and the winners in this world and the positive or negative attitudes they have.
I hope you never find yourself in a position where you need the expertise of someone with more experience than you, but find that you have burned that bridge with your selfish know-it-all attitude (Daytonite comes to mind).
Not sure what this means, but I welcome expert advise.
Based on this thread, there is a pretty strong arguement against your statement. For your sake, I hope you do welcome expert advice. Either way, its no sweat off my back. Takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.
If all you did wrong the entire semester is failed to look at the patient's nameband on the last clinical day, you would not have failed.
As an instructor (at least where I work), you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the student is incompetent, unsafe, and going above and beyond (or below and beyond) in that realm. I've worked with people who were told, after careful documentation of specific incidences (including dates, pt's names, specific meds) that they did not have enough evidence to support failing this student. Trust me, it had to be more than that.
Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
wow...this has been some thread; are these types of threads common in the student section? Seems there is a gross lack on insight being displayed by some.
The students are on vacation. No one is asking questions about nursing theory or fundamentals. Otherwise, I wouldn't even get involved in this. My expertise is care plans, IV therapy and things of a med/surg nature.
peaches49. . .there's no need to take personal jabs at me. I am a know-it-all because I do know a lot. If I wasn't trying to be helpful and share what I know, I wouldn't bother answering you. I have a very good idea of what you are going through. I just don't choose to share those personal experiences publicly. I'm trying to give you a view of what instructors/managers see from their side of the fence. You've never walked in those shoes. And it seems that you don't want to even consider opening your mind to it.
I have to agree with the other educators who have posted here; in my experience in nursing education, there is no way on earth it would be possible for a student to fail out of clinical simply for failing to check a client's ID band once and getting flustered when asked a question, without a existing history of other problems. Schools are very careful to establish a "paper trail" of documented problems, warning/counseling meetings with the students, corrective plans, etc., because students are so quick to file a grievance or even try to sue when they get kicked out and the schools have to protect themselves.
If all you did wrong the entire semester is failed to look at the patient's nameband on the last clinical day, you would not have failed.
As an instructor (at least where I work), you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the student is incompetent, unsafe, and going above and beyond (or below and beyond) in that realm. I've worked with people who were told, after careful documentation of specific incidences (including dates, pt's names, specific meds) that they did not have enough evidence to support failing this student. Trust me, it had to be more than that.
No their were alot of misconstrued happenings. Too long to go into. Yes, your all right. you have expert advise here, thanks for all your opinions.
peaches49
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WOW, I guess I hit some raw nerves here, with my post, I originally posted to te original poster about gossiping students, I dont know how it all led to this.