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hello.....just wondering if any instructors or past instructors come here?
if so....or anyone can jump in and tell me what they think on this one.....
ok...I am in a 10mo LPN program...I am 45 and the range in class is 20 to 40's........in my clinical group there are 8 of us......3 or 4 out of the 8 i can see being good nurses.....the others.....no so....even though one is very book smart,she is the 20 yr ol by the way......she is not the caring compasionate person that a nurse should be....she looks down on PTs,makes fun of them in our conference room and mostly just sits in there doing nothin......she and the others look up VS on the computer for their nurses note...even though we are to take our own.....they do half poop care on the PTs.....AND one is nothing but a drunk....she comes in smelling of the nights before beer binge.....she is 26 and has a 3 yr ol daughter....now i know what people do in there private time is no concern....this person also comes to class straight from the bars in the morning....you can smell the alcohol in the classroom.....the instructors know this....this person is down to NO hours left to miss.....we get 40hrs in sept......she now has none....even if she is 5 mins late....either for class or clinic....BUT...our clinic instructor does not deduct the time...she has taken this girl under her wing to get her thru school...she is very smart....and i think if she got her life together she would be a good nurse...but she has tried several times this year to quit drinking.....she talks about it all the time....she counts down the hours till she can leave shcool to go get drunk.....one of our instructors gave her a ride home one morning drunk fro school.....she had forgotten we didnt have school one day and showed up.....
NOW..my question....should a instructorin good moral standing and good conscious let this person out in the world of nursing?(by instructor,i mean the head)
also....our clinical instructor is a teaching aide for our class.....we have 2 instructors...one in the morning and one in the afternoon.....the aide does like the med testing on us and such....no teaching.....she is our clinical instrutor...she is 33.....and acts like she is 19.....she flirts with the PTs family young sons....or guy who might be in the hall or in the dinning room....she constantly talks about her sex life and what she does....with the younger gals in our clinic....i am NOT learning anything from her and I hate clinic...as well as a couple of the other older gals who are there to become the best nurses we can be.....so we take it upon ourselves to search out nurses on our floor to help us......i had a nurse come up to me one day and ask it our instructor was a bit on the wacky side....not good...also.....when our head instructor of the program comes in to observe she a different person.....in charge,bossy,telling us what to do,what lab values to look for....just a show....i feel like standing up and saying this is NOT how it is.....but i have to pass clinical.....so i dont........
cause i think she is the type of person if she doesnt like you,she will fail you.....
ok...thats my gripe for the day....
But you haven't done what I have been doing as an RN for 30 some years. I have been doing what you have been doing as a CNA--and more.No, it wasn't the only thing. As llg has said, and in addition to being a staff nurse, I've been an instructor, a supervisor and a manager in teaching hospitals, I will confirm that no one has absolute power to get someone dismissed from a job or an educational program. It's a decision made by a group of people. From the perspective I come from, it's an expensive endeavor to get each person hired in the first place, so it's wasted money to just arbitrarily cut them from the rest of the pack without at least making efforts to get some kind of return on the investment that was made to employ them. I also know that nursing programs are very expensive for schools to run, so they need to show student success and it isn't by dismissing students from their programs. The fact that your dismissal happened on the last day of clinicals tells me that other incidents went on before. It makes no rational sense that a clinical instructor (teacher) would invite any kind of confrontation with a student they were just having for the first time. She obviously observed something immediately that probably confirmed what another instructor had seen as well. I know from my management experience that getting the same observation of wrongdoing from another witness is always good confirmation. It just happened to occur on your last day of clinicals is all. So, I'm thinking that there are parts to your story that you conveniently left out. Not looking at a patient's name band is a safety issue. Not being able to answer an instructor's questions has to do with not being prepared or having done the studying. And, we all get nervous. Did you know the information you were asked for, or not? Wait until a doctor pressures you for information about his patient! That happens to RNs all the time. He'll go to your boss if he doesn't like your answers! There's no theory classes on the job. It's all clinical work. I'm willing to bet one or both of these issues had come up before and that they are documented in writing as well in a file back at the nursing school.
One of the things we all have to learn to do is to take responsibility for the errors we make, correct them, and improve our practice as we move on. We all make mistakes. But we only progress when we learn from them. It's unproductive to hold on to negative attitudes and emotions about our or others shortcomings. It is better to look for what is good in people. And, I'll tell you right now because I worked in LTC a lot, nursing home staffs are notorious for cultivating negative attitudes. People laugh at the idea of a Miss Goody Two Shoes, but I'll tell you this, the Miss Goody Two Shoes of the world are far more successful, happy and move into higher positions than the people sitting around wasting their time criticizing and complaining all the time. Think I'm wrong? Start really watching and paying attention to the losers and the winners in this world and the positive or negative attitudes they have.
Yes, nursing is demanding, pressure filled job with lots of people to communicate with and you must know the answers in order to succeed.
Study, study , study. Well educated and learned people go far. Attitude is a major part of it.
The students are on vacation. No one is asking questions about nursing theory or fundamentals. Otherwise, I wouldn't even get involved in this. My expertise is care plans, IV therapy and things of a med/surg nature.peaches49. . .there's no need to take personal jabs at me. I am a know-it-all because I do know a lot. If I wasn't trying to be helpful and share what I know, I wouldn't bother answering you. I have a very good idea of what you are going through. I just don't choose to share those personal experiences publicly. I'm trying to give you a view of what instructors/managers see from their side of the fence. You've never walked in those shoes. And it seems that you don't want to even consider opening your mind to it.
I'd rather read about how I can go back and deal with these people so I can pass clinical next, what you do as an RN has nothing to do with me in LVN program. I have not jabbed you at all, I personally responed to the original post hear, and somehwere it went ....not sure where, but this isn't benefiting anyone.
I'd rather read about how I can go back and deal with these people so I can pass clinical next
I think the first step would be to fully disclose to yourself what exactly you did that got you excused from your clinicals. You would need to discuss this in detail with your instructors in person, or ask for written documentation from the school. Only they can tell you if you might be eligible to re-enter your original nuring program.
I think the first step would be to fully disclose to yourself what exactly you did that got you excused from your clinicals. You would need to discuss this in detail with your instructors in person, or ask for written documentation from the school. Only they can tell you if you might be eligible to re-enter your original nuring program.
Yes, I've done all that, including a new letter to get back In. Originally, I think it all started when I found a problem with the hospital nursing care the first week. Maybe because these nurses and teachers know each other well they are watching their backs. Then I became a target.
I watched my peas and Q's was polite and did what I was told, but the harrassment continued and I was singled out. I know now what I'm not going to do when I go back, if they allow me back. Right now I'm just working on myself, attitude and keeping up with online studies to keep me fresh with nursing information.
Originally, I think it all started when I found a problem with the hospital nursing care the first week. Maybe because these nurses and teachers know each other well they are watching their backs. Then I became a target.I watched my peas and Q's was polite and did what I was told, but the harrassment continued and I was singled out.
Okay, do you have documentation that supports this? My students find inconsistancies and problems with care all the time. IMO, that makes them astute students, not targets.
Is there any chance that anything you did was actually your fault, not the staff or the instructor?
:yawn:thank you all for proving my point, you instructors ae quick to criticize not taking into account where you came from.I've taken every class I need for RN but am in the LVN program, iand I've taken cultural anthropology. I did my labs like everybody else.
Yeh, like holding a youths hand in the hospital while dr. is debriding his leg after removing the wound vac, is that too much for you, I was aiding the wound clinic while in training.
OK I'm only on page 4 here but I need to ask. Is this how you speak to your instructors at school? If it is, that might be contributing to the difficulty you're having. I'm not suggesting that you "brown nose", but treating people with the respect they have earned through years of experience usually helps out... just my thoughts
Yes, I've done all that, including a new letter to get back In. Originally, I think it all started when I found a problem with the hospital nursing care the first week. Maybe because these nurses and teachers know each other well they are watching their backs. Then I became a target.I watched my peas and Q's was polite and did what I was told, but the harrassment continued and I was singled out. I know now what I'm not going to do when I go back, if they allow me back. Right now I'm just working on myself, attitude and keeping up with online studies to keep me fresh with nursing information.
So ... everyone was out to get you and conspired with each other to get you kicked out of school because you were the one and only person in the whole environment (school and facility) that had any integrity and cared about doing things right. Is that what you are saying?
In an earlier post, you said there was only one instructor you had trouble with... that you got along just fine with everybody else. You might want to look at the inconsisitencies in your posts.
You asked for advice on how to succeed in the future and avoid making the same mistakes. The first thing you need to do is acknowledge that you must have handled a few things badly in order to get yourself into such serious trouble that they dismissed you from the program -- and NO it was NOT because they resented you because you were so perfect. Maybe you need to sit down with someone and review your actions and your words to find and truly understand your mistakes. Only then will you learn what you need to learn from this experience and grow as you need to in order to succeed.
Good luck to you ... seriously. I mean that.
I've read through entire thread. Closing thread per OP request as becoming counter productive.
I suggest to posters in similar situations: look at how and what you write here...and how experienced educators responded to the written word...... if the same thing is occurring at school/clinical there is a good reason educators are becoming defensive when inconsistencies presented and words rephrased/twisted to meet one's needs.....rather than reflecting on what happened, learn from experience, making change within yourself to grow in knowledge ---this will allow you to move forward in a nursing program, instead of being dismissed.
peaches49
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Yes that is true