any instructors or such out there

Trauma Columnist · Jun 1, 2008

In all honesty, 14 years later, I can't name or describe even one classmate or instructor. All I cared about was passing the NCLEX and moving on. Unless this is impacting YOU, I'd ignore it - there are bigger fish to fry.

Good luck.

elkpark · Jun 1, 2008

The good ol' days :) of nursing school, when the head of your program could call you into her office, tell you, "You're just not working out; we don't think you're going to make a good nurse," and that was it, you were out of the program, are long gone. That is no longer possible legally. However, if it's any comfort, the chickens usually, eventually, come home to roost for people like the classmates you describe and they end up not making it through the program for some legitimate reason, or not hacking it as a nurse once they've graduated.

I agree with trauma -- keep your head down, focus on getting what you need to get out of the program to be successful after you graduate, and don't waste time worrying about other people's issues. Once you graduate, you're probably never going to see any of these people ever again, anyway. Best wishes! :)

momtojosh · Jun 1, 2008

thats exactly what i do......do what i am suppose to,friendly to all......and go on.....i was just wondering about instructors......if they could pass someone like that.................looks like they have no choice now...too bad too......cause my clinical instructor has mentioned a few people to me and another gal that so and so is going to be a **** poor nurse.......oh well....i am in it for me.....thanks..... :up:

Daytonite, BSN, RN · Jun 1, 2008

Your post asks what any instructors or past instructors think. I was an instructor. This is what I think. . .worry about yourself and what you need to be learning. All the time you invest in griping and gossiping about your fellow students and instructor could be better spent exploring and learning more about what this one instructor is failing to teach you. Gossiping is unproductive and illogical. Hardly in keeping with the attributes one expects to see in a nurse. Keep your eye on your goal which is to prepare for the NCLEX-PN and becoming the best LPN you can be. Part of the responsibility of learning falls on your shoulders; the instructors are only facilitators who are there to act as guides to help show the way. I am always amazed at why some people are so eager to hold others up to high standards of behavior. As long as no one is breaking a law why do you care? If a law or a rule or regulation is being broken, then do your duty and report it. Nurses are problem solvers, not gossipers. We, as nurses are supposed to strive to be nonjudgmental of others. You are going to work with all kinds of people as a nurse and see all kinds of behavior you are not going to like or agree with. Getting angry about it is only going to make you internalize your feelings and develop illnesses yourself. There's also a thing called "confidentiality" that prohibits any of us from knowing what discipline or counseling is done with anyone with regard to their work or school performance. Go on to become a manager yourself so you can someday supervise, manage and prevent people like this from getting near students or into nursing programs. That's productive use of your time and problem solving.

momtojosh · Jun 1, 2008

daytonite

i just came here asking a question......i do not gossip or worry about anyone else while at school or clinical....just myself.....this is what i observe and what i am aware of......all the stuff i wrote was a lead into my question so you all could answer my question....i thought this was a place where i could come and get some insight.......i once saw a thread where one could write about what you would you say to a classmate....some were not nice.....perhaps those people should stay to themselves as well.....???........

i wasnt asking anyones oppinion as to if i should say something,cause i wouldnt and it isnt my place....it was a place to come and vent my concerns.....have seen many here......

so sorry i hit a sour note with you....

""""""now..my question....should a instructor in good moral standing and good conscious let this person out in the world of nursing?(by instructor,i mean the head)""""""

Jules A, MSN · Jun 2, 2008

You might get more responses if your posts were easier to follow. I've tried reading the original more than once and I just didn't have time to sort through it.

BeenThereDoneThat74, MSN, RN · Jun 2, 2008

Good post, Daytonite. I would not have been so brutally honest, lol, but what you say makes perfect sense.

Mom- I know it is frustrating to see the way people behave. But being 45 yourself, this should not be news to you, that the rules don't seem to apply to some people. I guarantee that in whatever field you were in before this, you saw it: people being treated differently. To some extent, I struggle with this as an instructor, that the rules don't seem to apply as strictly with my senior colleagues. And I am a young instructor, so i feel like I am watched a bit more closely.

I also see it with my students, that some students seem to have a different set of rules than others. But the reality is, Karma does exsist. Don't think for a minute that what goes on in the classroom and in clinical goes unnoticed... or unreported. Don't assume that this girl has not been counceled about her situation. And to me, it sounds like she is a bit of a hot-shot. In my experiences, true alcoholics are not proud of their antics, as it sounds like she is. She is a young girl, and is likely doing this for attention. I am not saying she has not come to class under the influence. But the reality is, I'm sure you are not the first to notice this, and will NOT be the last. Let someone else hadnle it. She will NOT get away with such behavior as an RN. I know it's hard, but you have to let it go.

locolorenzo22, BSN, RN · Jun 2, 2008

A) daytonite did not mean her post in that matter, I'm sure....she has been a Wealth of info for every NS on here.....

B) You need to learn how to organize your posts better....but that's besides the point.

C) From a new grad standpoint, let me explain something....I had LOTS of fellow students I worked with that will OBVIOUSLY not be good RNs(but I realize this is my opinion)....when I was a charge student, I had people who would NOT sign things off, or sign them off and not do them, etc.....They thought I was so "mean" for not letting them slide on things when I KNEW that had not moved from their same position for the last hour.....But, I didn't care what they did or looked like, if MY butt wasn't on the line. When I was a regular nursing student, I ignored everyone else....unless they asked me for help or looked like they were struggling....we were a close group. One or two make up students would come in and be so off their game....but we left it to the instructors to make that call.

so my advice?

Just let it all roll off....the only thing YOU have control over is how YOU react to others, and how well you are perceived by instructors. trust me, if you were outgoing and got your stuff done and patients did ok with you....I think you're in the clear. People get what is coming to them....if that's in NS or real life. It sucks to think that someday, patient safety may be compromised due to someone needing to learn a lesson....but that's life. You do what you can, and forget what anyone else does. YOU are responsible for the care YOU give, and that's it. so let it go.

Also, I'm suprised no one has asked her to take a drug test the way her behavior is sounding...a student is to maintain professional in class and work.....

Daytonite, BSN, RN · Jun 2, 2008

daytonite
i just came here asking a question......i do not gossip or worry about anyone else while at school or clinical....just myself.....this is what i observe and what i am aware of......all the stuff i wrote was a lead into my question so you all could answer my question....i thought this was a place where i could come and get some insight.......i once saw a thread where one could write about what you would you say to a classmate....some were not nice.....perhaps those people should stay to themselves as well.....???........
i wasnt asking anyones oppinion as to if i should say something,cause i wouldnt and it isnt my place....it was a place to come and vent my concerns.....have seen many here......
so sorry i hit a sour note with you....
""""""now..my question....should a instructor in good moral standing and good conscious let this person out in the world of nursing?(by instructor,i mean the head)""""""

i read your post quite carefully. the question you asked when you started out with, i answered. you started off saying "just wondering if any instructors or past instructors come here? [yes, i do.] if so....or anyone can jump in and tell me what they think on this one" [i told you exactly what i think about it.] and ended with "ok...thats my gripe for the day.... "

so, after you get what you ask for, why do you complain? i gave you my insight. i was also a manager and i know exactly where this kind of gossip leads. i'm sorry you don't like my insight. i don't think you've had the same experiences in leadership that i have had. that's life.

now, you are asking if an instructor in good moral standing and good consciousness [why does moral standing and consciousness have anything to do with it--i guarantee it's not on this person's list of job duties] should let this person out in the world of nursing. fyi. . .decisions and power to delete people from programs is not given to one person. it is a group decision made by a committee of people. that is how the process is kept fair. i know this because of having been an instructor and manager. if you have never been in one of these positions then you can't know how they work. again, i'll tell you to become a manager yourself so you can someday supervise, manage and prevent people like this from getting near students or into nursing programs. that's productive use of your time and problem solving. i know it's not what you want to hear, but solutions are not always as easy as what happens in children's fairy tales where a queen merely cries "off with her head!" no one has that kind of absolute power except parents. it just doesn't work that way in the real world.

momtojosh · Jun 2, 2008

yeah....my post was a bit hard to follow...i was in a hurry as usual.....studying ya know.....

anyway...thanks to everyone who has responded......and yes..i do believe in karma.....what goes around comes around.....i just hope it is not at a pt expense.....

this is the first year for our instructor......so it is new to her.....i think she tries to hard to be a "friend".....

i do mind own business and do what i am suppose to do and do it well,i might add.....thats probably why the instructor leaves me alone and trust me to take care of my pt........the only thing she has to chaeck is the med sheets......and the meds after we prepare them....for me she checks...then lets me go off to my pt to give them....do my stuff and help out if one needs it.........

so...i guess what upset me...was that you thought i was gossiping.....nah...i dont do that....i came here to gripe is all.....otherwise....i get along with the group,we too are a close group....still doenst mean i think some of them will not be caring compasionate nurses though......karma...right:cool:.....

ok....off to get my 10 yr ol to a game....

oh.....i havent been in the work force in 20 yrs....i have been a stay at home mom.....our oldest is 20 and the youngest 10,

"""""now, you are asking if an instructor in good moral standing and good consciousness [why does moral standing and consciousness have anything to do with it--i guarantee it's not on this person's list of job duties]"""""

i guess i did not know.......and no thanks for the manager....... :banghead:

thanks again to everyone!!!!! and daytonite.....for the record....i respect all you have to say....i read here all the time:)

peace?? :up: :bow:

peaches49 · Jun 4, 2008

Your post asks what any instructors or past instructors think. I was an instructor. This is what I think. . .worry about yourself and what you need to be learning. All the time you invest in griping and gossiping about your fellow students and instructor could be better spent exploring and learning more about what this one instructor is failing to teach you. Gossiping is unproductive and illogical. Hardly in keeping with the attributes one expects to see in a nurse. Keep your eye on your goal which is to prepare for the NCLEX-PN and becoming the best LPN you can be. Part of the responsibility of learning falls on your shoulders; the instructors are only facilitators who are there to act as guides to help show the way. I am always amazed at why some people are so eager to hold others up to high standards of behavior. As long as no one is breaking a law why do you care? If a law or a rule or regulation is being broken, then do your duty and report it. Nurses are problem solvers, not gossipers. We, as nurses are supposed to strive to be nonjudgmental of others. You are going to work with all kinds of people as a nurse and see all kinds of behavior you are not going to like or agree with. Getting angry about it is only going to make you internalize your feelings and develop illnesses yourself. There's also a thing called "confidentiality" that prohibits any of us from knowing what discipline or counseling is done with anyone with regard to their work or school performance. Go on to become a manager yourself so you can someday supervise, manage and prevent people like this from getting near students or into nursing programs. That's productive use of your time and problem solving.

I found out that all my instructors were gossips, about the students and specially the picked on ones. Theybent over backward to help each other fail a student for no good reason. I never gossiped about anyoine, except that I was the one being picked on. THey were told I was Bashing them, WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was not. I was only telling the truth.

You said above QUOTE " all the time you invest in gripping and gossiping about fellow students and instructors, could be better spent exploring what this teacher is failing to teach you"""

I di that I know what they failed to teach and they used it agianst me. ANd I say It is their fault when they spent more time trying to fail a student then try and mentor them. That is totally wrong and not what nursing is all about. This setup I faced was all about their power and control. ANd they used it well. I wont ever forget it, it leaves a bad taste in my christian mouth. ANd has made a sorry excuse for the word Teacher!

I now dont dont trust anyone in school not even my classmates Now.

I am learning that I am the only one to trust and trust my good judgement. Learn from my own mistakes and move on. But how do you manipulate a bad situation when you've become the target and no one gives a crap.

I like to take that school down and all those teachers, but don't know how and can't fight city hall without a price.

ANy thoughts.