Importance of NP Program Reputation, Name Recognition

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I'm considering applying to NP programs this fall, and I'm hoping to get some feedback.

As experienced NPs, did you find that your school's name/reputation was helpful in getting hired as a new grad? I'm sure that this topic has come up many times on AllNurses, but I've searched through a few forums and couldn't find it. I know that as an RN, school "name brands" are pretty useless. However, over the last several years, I do recall a few NPs on AN saying that attending a reputable NP school was beneficial in the hiring process; perhaps it's because those specific NPs were hired by MDs (vs. RNs, who are hired by other RNs), and "name branding" is a much bigger deal in medicine than it is in nursing.

I'm specifically interested in U-Penn's PNP program for a number of reasons: it's the only PNP I've found with a 'major'/concentration in my specialty of interest, it has rotations at one of the best children's hospitals in the world, it conducts classes in-person (though this may change post-COVID), and it can be completed in one year full-time. It also happens to be an expensive private school that is very well-ranked in both nursing and medicine (Top 3 in nursing, pediatric advanced practice nursing, and medicine). According to the website, the entire MSN can be completed for $55,000, although I'm not totally convinced.

Upon graduation, there's a very competitive new grad PNP fellowship (entirely unaffiliated with Penn) that I'd love to take part in. Unfortunately, given my nursing background (primarily in NICU, not PICU), I wouldn't be the strongest applicant. I'm hoping that attending a well-ranked, reputable NP program with a unique, pertinent concentration would make me a stronger applicant for the fellowship.

Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated!

Specializes in Psychiatric and Mental Health NP (PMHNP).
13 hours ago, Thanksforthedonuts said:

I called the recruiter for MD, PAs, and NPs at my local private hospital and asked what his opinion was regarding IVY league Universities compared to regular universities. He words were, “what’s wrong with our local universities?” Any reputable regional university should be fine. 

Recruiters don't make hiring decisions.  Yes, any reputable public college or university is fine.  However, anyone who can go to a top school, assuming the financial aid is good, would be a fool not to.

I do not understand this constant belittling of good schools by RNs and NPs.  Doctors strive to go to the best med school they can.  If we want to be taken seriously, then we need to strive for excellence in education.

And it doesn't matter what recruiters think - most of them are morons.  What matters is what hiring managers think, and for NPs, most of the hiring managers are going to be MDs.  

 

Specializes in ER, HH, CTICU, corrections, cardiology, hospice.

I went to Duke, I’ve been unemployed for 2 years. I don’t think my affiliation has helped me.

Specializes in ACNP-BC, Adult Critical Care, Cardiology.
4 hours ago, nursetim said:

I went to Duke, I’ve been unemployed for 2 years. I don’t think my affiliation has helped me.

Did you stay in the Durham area? There are schools that have great reputations but are located in highly saturated markets.  I can think of Vanderbilt being another one.  If you seek employment outside of where the campus is located, you may have better luck.

Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.

I would just go to a solid non profit that can SHOW excellent NP placement rates (placement rates in general are not good enough. Had to be for NP job post graduation) good board pass rates, finding of preceptors for you, and low default/drop our rates. 
 

 

if they do not happily provide all of this without asking twice or waiver in any way at all do not go there. Colleges and universities in general are shady in recruiting and are absolutely after loan dollars in your name. Make sure your future place of education is worth it. If you can’t get into anything besides for profit junk schools then you probably are not cut out to be a provider. I know this isn’t what people want to hear but tbh I don’t care since I’ve seen enough garbage midlevels from garbage schools mess up patients. 

 

I really have to doubt someone’s intellect if they will pay 50k to go to a school that doesn’t not secure preceptors.... that takes a special kind of stupid..... one that should never RX medication 

It is like spending 50k on a car with no transmission......

 

Specializes in ACNP-BC, Adult Critical Care, Cardiology.

OP, where did you decide to go? I noticed that based on your post, you are interested in PNP-AC.  To be honest, there aren't a lot of those programs anyway and Walden and similar types don't offer this track. You probably won't go wrong wherever you go but I would pick a school in an area that really utilizes the PNP-AC role.  There aren't many children's hospitals to begin with and I'm sure there aren't many that have PNP-AC's on staff.

Specializes in ER, HH, CTICU, corrections, cardiology, hospice.
20 hours ago, juan de la cruz said:

Did you stay in the Durham area? There are schools that have great reputations but are located in highly saturated markets.  I can think of Vanderbilt being another one.  If you seek employment outside of where the campus is located, you may have better luck.

I have been all over the US. I’m currently in AZ.

I interviewed recently and the person interviewing me mentioned that his ex-fiancé went to Duke. At which point I closed my portfolio and started to get, I was kidding and we kept talking. Guess what, I didn’t get the job.

Specializes in ACNP-BC, Adult Critical Care, Cardiology.
1 minute ago, nursetim said:

I have been all over the US. I’m currently in AZ.

I interviewed recently and the person interviewing me mentioned that his ex-fiancé went to Duke. At which point I closed my portfolio and started to get, I was kidding and we kept talking. Guess what, I didn’t get the job.

LOL...so much for a Duke education.  

Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.

LOL wonder if it has anything to do w nurse tim being a covid denier (read post history )

Specializes in ER, HH, CTICU, corrections, cardiology, hospice.
1 hour ago, Tegridy said:

LOL wonder if it has anything to do w nurse tim being a covid denier (read post history )

How am I a denier? Because a doubt the safety of a vaccine developed in <9 months?

Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.
20 minutes ago, nursetim said:

How am I a denier? Because a doubt the safety of a vaccine developed in <9 months?

Back peddling much. I read your other posts it’s more than just that. But anyway I digress. 

Specializes in ER, HH, CTICU, corrections, cardiology, hospice.
41 minutes ago, Tegridy said:

Back peddling much. I read your other posts it’s more than just that. But anyway I digress. 

Please quote my denial.

Nurses generally don’t consider school recognition because at the end of the day we all have to pass the same exam and we often look at the cost more realistically to what we are likely to get out of it. My original ADN was from a community college where I walked away paying $4500 a year. Even with my ADN, I made no different pay than any BSN trained nurses. And while the landscape has changed in 10 years in terms of BSN preference, bigger schools still aren’t a big factor and won’t command a higher salary.  I used to shutter at the university of Michigan RN students I used to precept who were racking 20k a year in student debt for a license that was no higher than my own. 

I don’t doubt for some, the NP side might carry weight in a world of Waldens where a Duke looks better. But I still see even those NPs landing jobs over others who might have a “better” school so still don’t believe at the end of the day the cost justifies the prestige. For a cohort that still has to show they are capable by means of a single licensing exam. 

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