I'm the nosy lady in walmart. Woopsie.

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Well, I didn't mean to but oh my, did I piss off a mother in the checkout line today. I got in a line that didn't move, for about five minutes. I became interested in the scene in front of me so I didn't change lanes. There's a mommy, her little girl in the cart, who's about 3-4 years old, and her son standing next to her, and an adult woman with her. The little girl came close to pitching a fit to get out of the cart, which subsided with the threat of a spanking. So far, nothing out of the ordinary, I've been there.

Then the boy decided to use the cart handlebar as a monkeybars-climb-on-thing, and the mom told him no, and put her hand on the back of his neck. I didn't think anything of it till she took her hand off a few seconds later, and I could clearly see red imprints of her fingers and thumb on either sides of his neck. He's a little kid, and she's got long fingers, so the red spots were smack where both his carotids should be. This is the point at which I became interested. She did this intermittently for a couple of minutes, and each time she did, the kid got very quiet and still during the pressure, and his face got pale. (duh!) Each time she released her hand, he started doing this weird little cry thing that sounded sorta like he was about to throw up.

I interpreted it as a potential for neurological damage and/or death, so I spoke up. I said, "excuse me maam, are you aware you're about to seriously injure your child?" Oh boy. Well, she chewed me out about how it's not my business, and got very in-my-face about it. I was relieved because while she was doing that, she wasn't touching her son. Eventually I stated that "you are right maam, except that if he passes out while you're doing that, I'm going to call the police." This got me two cellphones from the mom and her companion, shoved right about an inch from my nose. Silly folks, I don't even own a cellphone- and I realized that people mad enough to do that are probably mad enough to get physical with a stranger. I declined to use their cellphones, stating that it wasn't necessary to call the police at this exact moment, because her child was standing and conscious.

The mom asked me if she had left marks on her child, and I responded, "yes maam, that is why I said something." She told me to "stay out of it" as she got ready to change lanes around me. I said, "yes maam" and let it be. I was pretty happy to see her get out of the store faster, because that would be less time she'd feel the need to keep squeezing her child's neck.

Now, my question is, in what other way could I have interpreted this scene? I don't regret speaking to the mother because a little prevention can go a long way; however in this case I think that mom's not likely to listen to someone else's concerns. There doesn't seem to be a good way to handle things like that.

-Indy

Did you explain to her what exactly she was doing and why it could be harmful? I'm only asking because she may have just thought you were a busybody and that she isn't harming her child long term at all.

Specializes in ICU, telemetry, LTAC.

No, unfortunately I didn't explain it to her. I'm not normally quite as tonguetied with strangers but then, I'm used to people seeking info, not needing it crammed in between "Is this your child? Do you have to put up with him every day?" and "This is none of your business." I let this lady put me on defensive in two seconds flat, and yeah, that prevented me from giving her the education she needed.

-indy

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho.

Continue to be nosey. It's nosey people who help save childrens lives everyday.

Specializes in med/surg/tele/neuro/rehab/corrections.

I just wanted to add what happened when I was little and out with my mother......

My mother, brother and I were walking in the parking lot of the mall when we all witnessed a man hitting his crying children in the car. They were in the back seat and he was standing outside the car hitting them thru the open car door. My mother yelled and screamed at him saying he was beating his kids. He yelled and screamed back and she didn't back down. He did stop. I had never been so proud of her. She stood up to this huge bully. He was no small man. I was very young and scared but I learned a valuable lesson that day. I'll never forget the way those two kids looked at my mom, I remember their teary eyes, and I'm sure they were grateful to her because their beating stopped.

It's our job to intervene on behalf of those who cannot protect themselves. Sometimes a phone call, a report to the authorities, a word to the abuser even tho you know they will verbally abuse you, or one technique we learned in school was to approach the child and ask if they are ok. Inside the stores and outside in the parking lots all have surveillance cameras and those will back up your word if need be. (Remember that woman caught on tape in a parking lot beating her 4 year old daughter? What denial she was in! Oh just having a bad day!)

It takes a great deal of courage to stand up for a child. Talk about heroes!

I would have LOVED to have been behind you! I would have spoke up with you!

I'm telling you that I swear it's something with Walmart. The Walmart near me is nothing but low class acting people. They let their kids run wild, they think the furniture dept is a drop off daycare, parents always hitting their kids for one reason or another, RUDE employees, etc.

I HATE Walmart!!!

Good for you for speaking up though!

Specializes in Home Health.

Many parents that are "embarrassed" in public when another adult speaks to them about the treatment of their children end up taking it out on the kids in private. You may stop the immediate abuse, but the aftermath may be much worse. It would be better to observe and notify the store manager so that he or she could witness the abuse and/or notify the authorities. Or, as said in an earlier post, take down the license plate number and make the call yourself. If the child is not in a life threatening situation it would be better to try to diffuse the situation without accusing the parent. I do agree that the woman who squeezed her sons neck needed to be stopped immediately. Believe me I am no expert on abusers, but I do remember this from articles I have read on the subject.

Lisa

Specializes in trauma/surg.
:scrying: Indy, I am guessing you are in Indiana. I used to work in social services in this state and often had to call in DFC (dept of family services). You'd be suprised what has to happen to kids in order for any action on the part of the DFC to take place (Got burned out and is the reason I am going to NS). I used to get the furthest by saying things like, " My kids used to act up ALL the time at the store, it drove me CRAZY. My cousin grabbed her kid like that one time and he/she passed out. You might want to think about ____ instead." This way the parent is less likely to get defensive because they THINK you are on their side, and you are teaching for future situations. I KNOW that this seems a bit ridiculous, but like I said, the chances that DFC would follow up that call would be unlikely. They are under staffed, and we all know that after all the crap that they see (as do nurses), it's all about priorities. I am sooo glad your heart is in the right place, and you did stop the behavior at the time! :kiss
Specializes in LTC, ER.

indy, i think that you were right to be concerned, but i also agree with the posters that emphasize the need for education. i wish that you had been able to explain that she was obstructing the blood flow to her child's brain, because everybody does not know anatomy and physiology. the problem is that the mother went away with the assumption that you were upset with her for using corporal punishment. i probably would have discretely approached the lady and said that what she is doing is dangerous and quickly explain why. i think the lady took offense because some people are so against corporal punishment that they act like a couple swats to the behind is child abuse. i would try to say to her that while the use of corporal punishment can be effective, one must carry that punishment out carefully.

Good for you. I would have said something too. Glad you stood your ground and I'm sure the little boy thanks you too.

Sandy

Specializes in Hemodialysis, Home Health.
indy, i think that you were right to be concerned, but i also agree with the posters that emphasize the need for education. i wish that you had been able to explain that she was obstructing the blood flow to her child's brain, because everybody does not know anatomy and physiology. the problem is that the mother went away with the assumption that you were upset with her for using corporal punishment. i probably would have discretely approached the lady and said that what she is doing is dangerous and quickly explain why. i think the lady took offense because some people are so against corporal punishment that they act like a couple swats to the behind is child abuse. i would try to say to her that while the use of corporal punishment can be effective, one must carry that punishment out carefully.

I totally agree with the above. This mother has no CLUE as to what harm she might have been causing her child.. as stated above, she has no A&P understanding, and therefore just assumed you were reprimanding her for being physical, period.

I do applaud you for intervening, however :balloons: ... just unfortunate that she was not able to learn WHY she could be injuring her child and learn from that. As it stands, she will most likely continue to do this... hopefully with no tragic reslults. :o

Specializes in PeriOp, ICU, PICU, NICU.

I think you did the correct thing to intervene. It is always better to be safe than sorry. I however, would have taken her offer of calling the cops and done it there and then. I am sure she would have had an earful by the authorities, and maybe learned a lesson about having better manners towards concerned people and how she DID make it your business when she decided to do that to her child in your presence. :D

If this is how she acts at the store I can only imagine what goes on behind closed doors. :uhoh3:

Ignorant about A&P or not, she should have known better and even the finger marks or the slightest clue that it was hurting the child should have been stopped. :)

I'm so proud of you for intervening. I would have been the one to have pounced in her face, and almost dared her to punch me or open her mouth......but that's just the way I am.

I'm no spring chick (53), but I cannot stand to see a grown adult verbally/physically abuse any children........jan

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