I'm Done

Nurses COVID

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The medium-sized hospital (275 beds) where I work only has one ICU. But thanks to the unvaxxed we have had to open another ICU for COVID patients again.

We first did this last Winter and it was awful, but it was nobody's fault. Now it is.

We are keeping our COVID ICU open by nurses working overtime. Many have been working five or six 12 to 16-hour shifts a week for months now. People's lives are falling apart. In the last year, two of our ICU nurses have committed suicide. I don't know everything that was going on in their lives, but I'm quite certain that working long hard hours for months, never being home, having no downtime to relax and recharge has a LOT to do with it.

We actually had more COVID patients last Winter, but they were older and not as sick. Like 70s and 80s, vs now it's people in their 50s-60s and they are MUCH sicker. They die like flies. We had a 31-year-old die, and several in their 40s. One died and after to code the doc called and informed her family, but somehow her two teenage daughters who were en route to the hospital didn't get the message and I had to tell them. I'm noticing signs of PTSD in our ICU nurses who are, for the most part, young people. Most are in their 20's. To work so hard taking care of their patients for weeks only to have them die is soul-destroying. I zipped nine people into body bags over the weekend. 

Long planned vacations have been canceled, nurses are losing touch with their families and support systems.

I've spent a lot of time and energy talking to people about COVID and vaccines. I've provided them with the latest data and evidence. I've related what it's like for hospital patients with COVID. But it's a waste of time and effort so I'm done with it. 

Everyone who isn't stupid is already vaccinated and that just leaves the stupid, and you can't fix stupid. I'll no longer refute disinformation with accurate information, just point out they are liars and move on.

My goal is no longer to convince people to get vaccinated. Now my goal is to identify as many of them as possible so that I can do everything in my power to ensure they are never given a position of responsibility again.

I've already started asking those I do business with about their vaccination status. Unvaxxed or refuse to answer and I'm done with them. My mechanic got vaccinated. I had to switch to another (vaccinated) barber. I spoke at two of my local school board meetings in favor of masking the students (including my children) and requiring vaccinations of all staff. I let them know I would be filing a lawsuit if they failed to do either. Luckily they did both.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
15 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I participate in an online forum for a particular medical condition, and it has started to have new posters casting doubt on vaccines. They are claiming that their cardiologists are concerned about interactions between the vaccine and cardiac drugs. I am skeptical. 

You are correct to be skeptical and you should report each and every comment that questions the efficacy or wisdom of vaccination. 

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
29 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I participate in an online forum for a particular medical condition, and it has started to have new posters casting doubt on vaccines. They are claiming that their cardiologists are concerned about interactions between the vaccine and cardiac drugs. I am skeptical. 

So I just happend to see Dr. Samuel C. Dudley, Jr., MD, PhD, head of cardiology at the University of Minnesota in the cardiology department work room (its next to the RRT office). He was kind enough to let me read him this post.

    Dr. Dudley says that he is unaware of any concern about the interactions of COVID vaccines and cardiac drugs. He further states he doesn't see how there could be interactions. 

   He actually said quite a lot,  but I'm condensing his comments here.

    Welp, I'm satisfied. 

Specializes in Public Health, TB.
29 minutes ago, PMFB-RN said:

So I just happend to see Dr. Samuel C. Dudley, Jr., MD, PhD, head of cardiology at the University of Minnesota in the cardiology department work room (its next to the RRT office). He was kind enough to let me read him this post.

    Dr. Dudley says that he is unaware of any concern about the interactions of COVID vaccines and cardiac drugs. He further states he doesn't see how there could be interactions. 

   He actually said quite a lot,  but I'm condensing his comments here.

    Welp, I'm satisfied. 

Thank you, and thanks to Dr. Dudley. 

 

Specializes in Dialysis.
3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

I participate in an online forum for a particular medical condition, and it has started to have new posters casting doubt on vaccines. They are claiming that their cardiologists are concerned about interactions between the vaccine and cardiac drugs. I am skeptical. 

In some cases, it may actually be true. One of the patients that come the clinic that I work at has been advised by her cardiologist to not get the vaccine d/t dx and med regimen, and this is backed up by the nephrologist. I know there's a long note in the patient's chart, but with all of the other fun stuff I have to do in a day, I've never had time to read it. My takeaway: If 2 MDs say no, there's a reason, and I'll let them deal with the details. But I'm sure others spout anything that they think is info to make themselves sound reasonable.

As far as I know, said patient doesn't participate in any online forums discussing this, I don't believe that she would know how to get online to start with (she's 88 and legally blind). 

If I think about it at work and ever have time, I'll look up the details. Unfortunately, the only time I ever think about it is times like this when reading post, and I'm at home, doing much of nothing

Specializes in Public Health, TB.
55 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

In some cases, it may actually be true.

My takeaway: If 2 MDs say no, there's a reason, and I'll let them deal with the details. But I'm sure others spout anything that they think is info to make themselves sound reasonable.

I wonder if these 2 MDs will also advise against monoclonal antibodies and or remdesivir, if the patient becomes infected. 

Specializes in Dialysis.
1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

I wonder if these 2 MDs will also advise against monoclonal antibodies and or remdesivir, if the patient becomes infected. 

I have no idea, but I do know that she is masking up continuously,  handwashes religiously, and keeps contact with others to a minimum. As of yet, she hasn't had so much as the sniffles since before covid-knock on wood, I don't want to jinx her. She lives with her daughter, who is also a RN, in fact the nursing director for the county that she lives in health dept, so I'm sure that she has the best medical advice for her situation

These 2 MDs other patients that come to my clinic are all vaccinated, so I'm not going to try to smear these MDs or pick a fight. 

Specializes in Public Health, TB.
1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

 

These 2 MDs other patients that come to my clinic are all vaccinated,

so I'm not going to try to smear these MDs or pick a fight. 

I'm not trying to smear anyone or pick a fight. If there is information out there that I can use, then I welcome it. 

This is partially professional, as I work with some dialysis patients, and I have a cardiac condition as well. 

Perhaps now that I am vaccinated, perhaps some of my medications are contraindicated or if I should become infected I need to avoid monoclonal antibodies or remdesivir. 

 

Specializes in Dialysis.
8 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Perhaps now that I am vaccinated, perhaps some of my medications are contraindicated or if I should become infected I need to avoid monoclonal antibodies or remdesivir. 

 

That is a discussion that you should be having with your cardiologist, and your dialysis patients should do the same as well, if any of you have concerns. Every doctor treats things differently, depending on their direct experiences with various diseases. Again this was MD directed, and when anyone has a concern, it should be addressed by their MD who can answer to their individual health issues

Specializes in Hospice, corrections, psychiatry, rehab, LTC.
On 10/24/2021 at 10:56 PM, LisaNICUrn said:

Everyone has a right to choose what they put in their body. Your vaccine? That doesn't even last 6 months before you need a "booster" because you're no longer protected?

Exaggerate much? Protection doesn't vanish in six months. It can become significantly reduced, but it isn't zero - like being unvaccinated is.

Specializes in LTC (LPN-RN).
On 10/22/2021 at 11:20 PM, 2BS Nurse said:

 "In the last year, two of our ICU nurses have committed suicide".

Whaaaaaaat??? Why is this not news?

Because 2 suicides would not make the news. What is the back story? Were they already dealing with other live situations? MDs commit more suicides.

"MDs commit more suicides"

So we should minimize this tragedy among nurses? It is not a competition. 

Specializes in LTC (LPN-RN).
1 hour ago, 2BS Nurse said:

"MDs commit more suicides"

So we should minimize this tragedy among nurses? It is not a competition. 

I knew that was coming. They can help if they know why and if nurses are willing to speak about it.

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