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by PMFB-RN PMFB-RN, RN Member Nurse

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response. Has 16 years experience.

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23 hours ago, RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN said:

I will have to respectfully disagree with your opinion regarding no nursing shortage before COVID. The facts say otherwise regarding the nursing shortage existing LONG before COVID. COVID may have exacerbated the issue, but it is not the cause. Looking at a few examples, none cite COVID as a reason for the shortage. 

"The American Association of Colleges of Nursing attributes the national shortage to four main reasons:

Nursing school enrollment is not keeping pace with projected demand. Even though enrollment is up, it's not keeping pace with the increase in need for nursing services.

We lack the necessary number of nursing school faculty members. Without enough teachers, thousands of people interested in joining the nursing workforce are unable to do so without degrees.

The rate of retirement for nurses is growing rapidly, as over half of the RN workforce is currently over 50 years old.

An aging population in the United States continues to drive more demand than ever seen for nursing services.


Additional information for consideration.

From 2008 Journal of Clinical Nursing

Buchan J, Aiken L. Solving nursing shortages: a common priority. J Clin Nurs. 2008;17(24):3262-3268. doi:10.1111/j.1365-2702.2008.02636.x https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2858425/ 

Haddad LM, Annamaraju P, Toney-Butler TJ. Nursing Shortage. [Updated 2020 Dec 14]. In: StatPearls [Internet]. Treasure Island (FL): StatPearls Publishing; 2021 Jan-. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493175/

I do also agree, poor management practices have also helped create the nightmare scenario we are facing as well regarding staffing issues. The seeming complete lack of interest in any type of retention plan for nurses in large systems is mind boggling. 

I am not sure you are disagreeing about anything other than terminology.

"Shortage" implies basically an imbalance in supply and demand.  Demand is certainly high, and supply is low.  So, yes, a shortage exists.

But this is not something that just happened- it was predictable.  The short sighted thinking encouraged in health care created this- there was no other reaonably foreseeable outcome.

The maintenance manager of a fleet of vehicles wants to keep his boss happy by keeping costs down, so he skips oil changes.  Now, when half of his engines are blown, he does have a vehicle shortage.  But most people would refer more to the actioins leading to it than the shortage itself.

Right now, healthcare managers are simultaneously contributing to both the supply and demand of travel nurses.  


heron, ASN, RN

Specializes in Hospice. Has 50 years experience. 3,213 Posts

Sorry, wrong thread. 



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19 hours ago, hherrn said:

The maintenance manager of a fleet of vehicles wants to keep his boss happy by keeping costs down, so he skips oil changes.

He also needs to have X number of vehicles available everyday for the necessary work.  That manager decided that he can save money not only by skipping routine maintenance but by reducing the number of available vehicles and increasing the daily work of each vehicle.  When a vehicle broke down it was most cost effective to just rent a vehicle for a short time from a rental business. 


Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response. Has 16 years experience. 5,341 Posts

On 10/27/2021 at 7:36 PM, lifelive said:

You seriously think that those of you who have this strong hate against unvaccinated people won't eventually affect how you treat them as patients? Think again.  As a man thinketh in his heart,  so is he. 

Nothing I said suggested or implied hatred towards the unvaxxed or anyone else and it's dishonest of you to falsely accuse me of hating. You have been consistently dishonest in this discussions, completely fabricating lies several times.   

    I guess it's typical behavior for your kind.