illegal

Published

:angryfire What would you do if you knew about an illegal foreign nurse, who has forged her documentation and took the NCLEX, yet never had to pay as I did, incorporating huge loans and when reported to the Hosp. Admin, was completely ignored Yet, I was able with one phone call able to verify that she worked as a Psych. nurse in the UK and never practiced Med. nursing or is elligible to practice as a Med. Nurse. I think the Hosp. is covering up?

Whatever your problem is OP get over it! As SD said the old style RMN training does have enough hours for the US, if she wasn't good at her job she wouldn't be there & so what if she "only" has a diploma??? I don't even have that - I trained pre degree/diploma & I still had a good enough training for CGFNS & the US BON where I applied plus I passed N-CLEX 1st time. Am I worse than you because I don't have those letters after my name??

If you want to complain to your management then go ahead & do it but I somehow think it'll be you that ends up with egg on your face. If not then you'll have done your workplace a favour & I will retract much of what I've said, except the degree thing! :-)

Sorry if I've upset you. But this isn't about you. Please understand, by our State's board regs., it is our duty to report this and she dosen't have enough hours or experience to be even elligible to sit for the NCLEX. Also if a mistake was to occur and you as a nurse was involved, where does that leave you or your insurance etc.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
How long ago did she train as a RMN as she may have gotten her hours during her training as all do a foundation course which can cover all she needs. She must have met criteria to be allowed to sit NCLEX and also get a job. I am sure that checks where done to check her status and sure she wouldn't be a manager without relevant qualifications and legal work visa

If it were legal I would post her name and infor. and allow others to verify the claims I'm making. I'm so sure that I'm right that I would stake a kidney on it and I never gamble or stick my neck out. I'm sorry this is so disconcerting but it is the truth. I have other verifications as well but I do not want to get into trouble.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in med/surg.
Sorry if I've upset you. But this isn't about you. Please understand, by our State's board regs., it is our duty to report this and she dosen't have enough hours or experience to be even elligible to sit for the NCLEX. Also if a mistake was to occur and you as a nurse was involved, where does that leave you or your insurance etc.

I'm not taking it personally but my point is that if it's bothering you so much stop going on about it & just go ahead & report her!

I still don't think it would be possible but you obviously feel you have a case so go prove it, then report back. I can't believe that with all the litigation that goes on in the USA a hospital would cover up a nurse like that - they'd drop her like a hot brick!

If you don't think you have a case then drop it & get on with your job.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

but if she is nursing in the US then she would have had to go through state BON and pass NCLEX as well as jump through a few hoops for immigration. If you are so worried then report her to BON and let them sort it out, not sure how you would get into trouble if you are reporting a valid claim/worry

I still feel as if you have sour grapes with her due to the fact you mention about the debt you are in and that she has a diploma. Like RGN1 I trained the old way and do not have a degree/diploma but meet all requirements for the US and hopefully moving at some stage,

Up Vote Up Vote ×

I suggest that if there are issues like that with our co-workers I think it should not be our concern or business to dig, to say and ruled out anything about it unless you are in their Human Resources department or you are in position to do such investigations or concern. Other than that as an employee we should focus instead on our respective areas of responsibility. I am sure good things prevails if they are really doing such things eventually it will get them.

Up Vote Up Vote ×

I have only a Diploma in Nursing and would put my skills up against anyones. I also have several other degrees, including an MBA.

What we are trying to explain to you is that you are not aware of how they do the training in the UK. Their Diploma program is three years, they do 18 months of general nursing, and can actually get all of the required hours needed to be able to sit for the NCLEX exam and even licensure in the US. Then they do 18 months of their specialty, and that can be in mental health, adult medicine, or peds/maternal health.

And the other thing that you are not understanding is that the US actually does not require a license in the home country, just a completed set of transcripts to meet the requirements for licensure, as well as a Visa Screen Certificate that is needed by all to get a visa to work in the US. You need to have a visa that permits you to work in order to get a SSN#.

And your manager may not have any skills in the CCU area, but may have excellent management skills that your facility was looking for. I have worked with managers in the OR that never had one day of OR experience but they were hired because of other skills that they possess. And some of them have been some of the best managers that I ever had the pleasure of working under.

Having a license in another country has nothing to do with working in the US, and there are many here on this forum, that were RMNs in the UK and they have completed the required hours for licensure in the US.

It seems more that you are having issues with a foreign nurse in your unit in this position of authority......................you have only proved that they were not practising as an RN in adult medicine in their country, but you do not have any proof that they do not hold a license to practice as an RN in the US. That is what you are failing to recognize. You can easily verify if they have a license in your state, and that is all that you need to worry about. What they did out of the US has absolutely no bearing on any of this, and that is what you are failing to understand.

Please understand what a foreign nurse needs to go thru to work in the US, and read the Primer at the top of this forum for some insight into it. It is definitely not as easy as you think.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
I have only a Diploma in Nursing and would put my skills up against anyones. I also have several other degrees, including an MBA.

What we are trying to explain to you is that you are not aware of how they do the training in the UK. Their Diploma program is three years, they do 18 months of general nursing, and can actually get all of the required hours needed to be able to sit for the NCLEX exam and even licensure in the US. Then they do 18 months of their specialty, and that can be in mental health, adult medicine, or peds/maternal health.

And the other thing that you are not understanding is that the US actually does not require a license in the home country, just a completed set of transcripts to meet the requirements for licensure, as well as a Visa Screen Certificate that is needed by all to get a visa to work in the US. You need to have a visa that permits you to work in order to get a SSN#.

And your manager may not have any skills in the CCU area, but may have excellent management skills that your facility was looking for. I have worked with managers in the OR that never had one day of OR experience but they were hired because of other skills that they possess. And some of them have been some of the best managers that I ever had the pleasure of working under.

Having a license in another country has nothing to do with working in the US, and there are many here on this forum, that were RMNs in the UK and they have completed the required hours for licensure in the US.

It seems more that you are having issues with a foreign nurse in your unit in this position of authority......................you have only proved that they were not practising as an RN in adult medicine in their country, but you do not have any proof that they do not hold a license to practice as an RN in the US. That is what you are failing to recognize. You can easily verify if they have a license in your state, and that is all that you need to worry about. What they did out of the US has absolutely no bearing on any of this, and that is what you are failing to understand.

Please understand what a foreign nurse needs to go thru to work in the US, and read the Primer at the top of this forum for some insight into it. It is definitely not as easy as you think.

Wow!, Well said Ma'm Suzzane4....

Up Vote Up Vote ×
This got my attention: I know some nurses who passed the NCLEX-RN and got a SS# thru school because in the past they were holding a F-1 visa, other are on a H 4 visa and also passed NCLEX-RN, so they just applied for a position in a hospital and when they were asked if they were legally authorized to work in the USA they put Yes.

These nurses are foreigners with not a working visa , but they hold a valid SS# and NCLEX-RN passers, valid driver's license ,and hospitals did not ask them for anything else. I knew this from one of them; indeed, this person encourage me to do the same, BUT this is not correct.:angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

They say that IRS and immigration do not share information, so they will easily get thru the process of getting a GC when they become available. and these nurses get they VSC which is a big issue for them because they haven't passed either TOEFL or IELTS. :nono: :nono: :nono:

I am sure that when they eventually go to immigration to ask for a permanent or temporary working visa, they will be penalized for how they are working now. :trout: :trout: :trout:

In my former career, I used to have to look at alot of identity documentation.

Yes, you are correct, that people that are not authorized to work in the USA sometimes have Social Security Numbers, however, when these cards are issued, it says ON the card, "not valid for work". Their card does not look like yours and mine.

That is why when hospitals review documentation for hiring, the I-9 form requireds that they see the actual document issued by the appropriate authorities or an original printout from the Social Security Office that has a COLORED stamp.

Up Vote Up Vote ×

I am a foreign nurse myself from the UK, so I believe I know what's involved and the difficulties. I was an RMN and had to go back to school here. This has everything to do with possible repercussions and probable backlash ,if exposed, to foreign nurses and my ilk. We worked bloody hard to get here and be in the position we are in. It is arrogant of anyone to judge my motives without having met me or be in the position I am in. This is about illegallity and subterfuge and envy (possibly) about someone making about $70,000. who dosen't deserve it or warrants it.

Up Vote Up Vote ×

also it is naive to think that our bosses or governing bodies dosen't make mistakes. naive!

Up Vote Up Vote ×

report her to the BON then.....not to Allnurses.com :lol2:

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.
report her to the BON then.....not to Allnurses.com :lol2:

With that excellent advice, closing thread.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
+ Join the Discussion