Am I reading this right? The bill is SB 1159, which looks like it passed to me when I look it up on the California legislature website -- with the following language:
There is a huge stereotype that illegal immigrants come to this country and take resources, don't pay taxes, and take people's jobs. This is not all true because I personally know many immigrants that come here to work hard and give their future generations a better life, sounds familiar (American Dream)? Many in which do not take "charity" because in my culture, yes I am Hispanic and no I am not illegal, take pride seriously and will not take money from the government. I have had friends whose parents are illegal and they have a tax ID. What happens if they get unemployed? They receive NOTHING because the money taken off their paycheck goes to the government. Same for when they retire, they get nothing. The only reason many come is for their children. In addition, many come here with workers permit, which gives you very limited benefits. These people in some eyes are still illegal which is ludicrous.
In my opinion, if you are a nurse you should not care what your patient's legal status. You are nurse who vowed to heal the wounded and care for those that need it.
In my opinion, if you are a nurse you should not care what your patient's legal status. You are nurse who vowed to heal the wounded and care for those that need it.
I didn't "vow" anything when I entered nursing, but, putting that aside for the moment ...
I don't care what my individual clients' legal status is, and I don't treat anyone differently because of it if I do happen to know. However, being an RN does not preclude or prevent us having opinions on significant public policy issues.
There is a huge stereotype that illegal immigrants come to this country and take resources, ........ In my opinion, if you are a nurse you should not care what your patient's legal status.
Just a quick note: when undocumented workers arrive in the ED, they receive treatment. Wounds are bandaged, infections treated, symptoms eased. Some of them are there repeatedly, receiving care that ABSOLUTELY is a drain on resources, because none of it can be submitted to anyone for reimbursement. Not the cost of time, labs, diagnostic tests, medical supplies, food. It's humanitarian aid, and it costs SOMEONE money. If not the people who are using the resources, then the rest of the people who use the facility and have to make up the loss in the form of increased co-payments, deductibles, etc.
It's worth at least recognizing that this IS an expense that others have to take on when there is no way to have the people who are using the resources actually pay for them.
I didn't "vow" anything when I entered nursing, but, putting that aside for the moment ...
I don't care what my individual clients' legal status is, and I don't treat anyone differently because of it if I do happen to know. However, being an RN does not preclude or prevent us having opinions on significant public policy issues.
Agree. Nurses are taxpayers too and taxpayers have a right to their opinion.
DSo, we are to pretend that the estimated $11 billion in taxes paid by undocumented immigrants doesn't exist?
Back in the late 80's, at the height of the nursing shortage, I worked for a hospital that hired many nurses from Korea and the Philippines. Being a native-born Caucasian (mostly), I was exposed to many a breakroom rant about those "flips" and "chows". These "opinions" included claims that they got free housing, paid no taxes and didn't have to pass boards. None of those "facts" were true.
On the other hand, there were real issues, such as English fluency and cultural differences around work and authority, that had real impact on patient care.
Nurses have the right to an opinion, for sure. Nurses also have the right to investigate facts and decline to consider claims that prove to be untrue or distorted. I'd much rather spend my time thinking about realities.
This bill is frightening. They already allow illegals in CA to obtain driver licenses. Good luck getting any money from them if they cause a motor vehicle accident, though. Chances are they are uninsured. Now they're going to be licensed as professionals?
To the people who said this is not a concern because illegals won't be hired without an SSN or visa; you are wrong. Bills like DACA allow illegals to be granted work permits.
I am sorry, but even though Illegal ALIENS, do pay some taxes, the amount that they pay, pales in comparison to the amount of the social services money, welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, medical care, free K-12, public education,etc that they take and obtain.
These above services amount in the BILLIONS, of taxpayer money that is being used to benefit individuals who either snuck into this country, overstayed Visas, whatever.
I am sure that there were illegal aliens who somehow managed to escape Ellis Island, and sneak into the country. HOWEVER, these individuals took care of themselves and their families, did not require bilingual education, and I am pretty sure that the American Government, did not provide bilingual education services in English and Italian, or German, or French, etc.They also did not accept non stop social services, from the taxpayers. And they also did not come into this country in the hordes, that are just walking across the border to get here. There was an ocean that had to be crossed by ocean liners, that took months to get here, not hours by jet plane.
When my grandmother immigrated here, she was only 7 years old. At the time in Italy, children did not start school until they were 7. Because they were in the process of getting ready to immigrate to America, my great grand parents, did not enroll her in school in Italy.
After they got here, because she did not speak English, even though, by age, she should have been put into the second grade, the school just put her in the First Grade, instead. And like most immigrants at the time, by immersion in the public school system, she learned English, on her own. No bilingual classes, no signs in English and Italian, no bilingual textbooks, etc. no bilingual teachers, no government notices in English and Italian. You learned English, or you did not succeed in America. Period.
Contrast that to today. EVERYTHING is written in English and Spanish. You cannot call any agency and just get a recorded message in English. Hence, "press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish", etc. Children are taught in Spanish, not in English, everywhere that the adults go, signs, and forms are written in Spanish. WHY?? This is America, and WE speak English! There are adults who have been in this country for over 20 years, and still cannot speak English.
This is all costing taxpayers BILLIONS, and no, even though they pay a miniscule amount of taxes on their minimum wage jobs, or in other way taxes are collected (sales tax, for example), or no taxes at all, because they are paid under the table, these people take far more in services than they will EVER pay in taxes. If I do a Google search, I would be happy to get you the exact amount of money that illegal ALIENS, cost the taxpayers of this country.
And lets not forget the anchor babies, that also get everything for free, and/or, allow their parents to obtain these free services. And who can sponsor their parents for citizenship when they turn 18.
If you want to continue to believe the fairy tale, that illegal ALIENS, somehow pay their way, and are not a severe drain on this country, and attempt to compare present immigrants in the 18th and 19th century, and early 20th century, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would be happy to sell you.
And as for the Native Americans, again, yes, I am sorry about what happened when the white men came over here. Again you are comparing apples to oranges, when you are applying 21st Century values, and social norms to 17th, 18th, 19th centuries societal norms. You are in la la land, if your believe that any other culture that landed here, would not have done the same. And for genocide, the Native Americans, were not exactly the most hospitable and kind, to members of other tribes. They were just as cruel, and cutthroat, as anyone, YOU need to read the history books.
We also have documented water shortage, especially in California, and the western state, we are losing thousands of acres of arable land to house tracts, to accommodate a larger populations, we are putting a huge strain on all of our natural resources, etc. We do not have the wide open spaces that we had even 100 years ago. Out of control immigration, and the much higher birthrate of illegal alien women, have changed that, and our cities are breaking at the seams.
And again, so you really believe that the North American Continent would have remained undiscovered forever? I know that Native Americans would burn all Italians at the stake for being of the same nationality as Christopher Columbus, if they could. The Native Americans suffered the same fate of indigenous people all over the world. That was the unfortunate reality of the past. Nothing what we can do will change that. Blaming people for what happened 400 years ago, will never change that. Nor will re -writing history.
And the claim that my grandparents were still guilty of genocide, because they benefitted from the development of this country, also does not hold water either. They knew nothing of the Native Americans when they immigrated here, nor the fate that they encountered, after the while man came here, and took over the country. A stronger, and more sophisticated group, took over. Has happened since the beginning of time. Get over it.
MANDATORY E VERIFY, LEGAL RESIDENCE TO OBTAIN ANY SOCIAL SERVICES, NO INCREASE IN SERVICES IF YOU CONTINUE TO DROP ANCHOR BABIES EVERY YEAR, NO FREE K-12 PUBLIC EDUCATION- YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN TO PAY, EDUCATE, AND CARE FOR THEM.
Eliminate the things that bring them here, and DEPORT, DEPORT, DEPORT. Take pictures of each one, fingerprints, obtain DNA, and DEPORT!
PS- my Grandfather's favorite TV shows were all of the cowboys and Indians shows, Westerns, etc. Gunsmoke, Bonanza, etc. I guess since that was a genre, that was not available in Italy, it fascinated him. RIP Grandpa!
I really, really hate when someone brings out the Native American and immigration memes in order to shame anyone who believes that only people here legally should be afforded certain privileges of citizenship or residency.
My grandfather's grandmother was a Native American, so that makes it ok for me to spout, right? My family has been here so long that I have no idea what my full ancestry is, a fact which shocks many who ask "What are you?" to my annoyance.
I'm not gonna give my opinion on immigration, but that meme grates on my nerves so much that I will say this:
Wars over land rights have occurred for millennia, and the winner took all. It has happened all over the world, and it's just the way it was. How part of my family got here and who they decided to have children with is not relevant to whether or not I can state an opinion. Yes, I won the planet lottery by dropping out of an American's uterus on American soil. I will not be ashamed for that, and it is really sad when others expect someone to be quieted through shaming techniques.
All I've done is to challenge some of the assertions presented about undocumented immigrants. I have also sought to widen the context a bit to challenge the apparent assumption that prior habitation somehow equals moral superiority. If you find the historical facts "shaming", that's on you.
At no point have I stated or suggested that entering this country illegally is OK, so let's repeal all immigration laws and let the good times roll.
I get to disagree with the definition of the problem. I also get to base my opinion on something other than stereotypes and mis-statements of fact.
In my view, the movement of populations across political borders is only going to increase with rapid changes in climate and ecological collapse coming down the pike. Basing our behavior and decisions on non-realities does not seem to be a very smart move to me.
All I've done is to challenge some of the assertions presented about undocumented immigrants. I have also sought to widen the context a bit to challenge the apparent assumption that prior habitation somehow equals moral superiority. If you find the historical facts "shaming", that's on you.
Only people on your side of the debate ever bring up Native Americans. What some on the other side are saying is that current legal habitation equals citizenship and residency rights given by law and process that should not just be disregarded. Unfortunately, disregarding citizenship and residency is BECOMING law. To benefit whom though?
Historical "facts" are not shaming; using them to attempt to shut up the opposition is shameful, as is done with that meme.
heron, ASN, RN
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I'll see your meme and raise you a stereotype.
What would a rational solution look like to you?