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    BSN premium on the table.

    How is that being played by administration? Nurses should be rewarded for earning a higher degree. The pay should be more than $0.50 or $1.00 per hour. We are letting administration play US, by encouraging the debate. As I stated in my letter, teachers are awarded with higher pay for advancing their education, no questions or quibbling about it, no hurt feelings. NURSES are the ones who have the problem. We should be demanding that the ANA make the BSN the ONLY entry into practice. Three levels of entry only serve to divide us. And that is what administration wants. Spare me the excuses, "well, I could not afford to go to a four year college, I am a single mother, i have a plethora of other excuses why I could not go to a four year college, blah, blah blah". All other health care professionals have at least a Bachelors Degree, if not a Masters Degree as entry into practice. I am sure many of them are single parents, have other issues but somehow manage to attend a four year program, if not a Masters Program. They receive far more respect than nurses, and out earn us by thousands! What is there to debate? No other health care profession has three levels of entry into practice. RECREATIONAL THERAPISTS have a four year Bachelors Degree as entry into practice!! Their job only to utilize a variety of modalities including arts and crafts, drama, music dance, sports, and games to enhance the quality of life. The pay range is $46,000 - 57,000 a year. None of which involves life and death situations on a daily basis. And they have a four year, Bachelors Degree as entry into practice, and their pay is comparable to nursing . When we have one entry into practice, that is a four year college degree, we can, in one voice, demand higher pay from administration. Our present pay level is based on a two year Associates degree education, not a four year Bachelors Degree. And that is what administration wants. Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN Somewher in the PACNW
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    BSN premium on the table.

    As teachers earn higher college degrees, they earn more money. There is no quibbling about a difference in outcomes of students, They are receiving higher pay because they have earned a higher college degree, which is rewarded with higher pay. It never ceases to amaze me, how nurses can be against rewarding the effort to earn a higher college degree, and turn it into a debate about, 'outcomes". It is not about outcomes, it is about improving the standards of a profession. It is the same argument, " i don't have the drive to earn a higher college degree, or i have a plethora of excuses why I haven't". Because I don't want to put forth the extra effort to improve myself academically, i don't want to reward someone else, who does. This all comes from hospitals who want to find every excuse not to pay nurses more, or encourage other nurse to earn BSNs. The last thing hospitals want is to give nurses a reason to e unified under one educational pathway, and have to pay them more. The ANA is really at the bottom of this. The BSN should have been made the entry into practice, 40 years ago. It is the ANA, and their connection to the AMA, and Hospital Association, that prevents them from taking this much needed step. There is NO reason that nursing needs three entry levels into practice. The BSN should be the entry level degree for RNs, and a two year Associates Degree, should be the level of education into practice, for LPN/LVNs. It is not education creeping, it is improving the level of education for nurses. Nursing suffers from an Image problem, much of which, is the public impression, that we have/need, only a minimum level of education to be a nurses, which prevents us from demanding higher wages, better benefits,and working conditions, with the support of the public. It is a hard sell to the public and to administration, that a nurse with only a two year Associates Degree, should earn a professional salary, benefits, and respect, as someone with a two year associates degree in basket weaving. WE know what we do, and how important it is, but if they can continue to devalue what we do, (which is an easy thing to do, when too many nurses enter the profession with a blue collar trailer trash degree, or so they want to believe). It is the, image of nursing, with three entries into practice, with only one being a four year college degree, that continues to allow this. Hospitals will never pay more unless it is a decree from the ANA, which they do not want to do. We play into their hands, by not demanding that the ANA make the BSN the entry into practice, with the grandfathering in of ADNS and Diploma grads, with no penalty for not going back for a BSN. If the ANA makes it a requirement, then hospitals will have to offer the classes, free of charge, and on campus in the hospital, and nurses will not have to go back an earn a BSN to continue to practice, just like they did for pharmacists. Just my usual, NY $0.02 Lindarn, BSN, CCRN Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Legal Nurse Consultant (LNC)

    Stick with the AALNC. Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    How to File a Complaint against BON

    The bon's are out control. Lindarn, rn, bsn, ccrn,(ret) somewhere in the pacnw
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    Relocating to Spokane

    Individuals who are not from Spokane, and come from more sophisticated areas of the county,(NYC), do not find Spokane, "charming". Right from my father's mouth, as he sat on the park bench in the baggage claim, watching all of the people at the airport, while my mom and I waited for their luggage,"what rock did these people crawl out from under? I have never seen such weird looking people in my life". THAT was my parents first impression of Spokane. As was mine when mine moved here. If you have never lived any place else, you get a narrow view of things. I am not the only person who has moved here, that feels like I do. I know more people who have moved here, and feel the same as I do, as people who moved here and love it. I grew up in a union household, never heard of, "right to work", or, "at will", allowing people to be fired for no reason, I detest the ant-employee attitude here. It smells of the Koch Brothers. I am sorry if you do not value your self as an employee, and don't care if you are treated like dirt. I do. I have worked elsewhere and know better. Until Spokane offers something better, and I can finally escape, I will remain with my same feelings toward Spokane. JMHO and my NY $0.02 Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
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    Staffing ratios

    Staffing ratios with no aides, was ploy that health care industries uses to prevent staffing ratios from being applauded for improving patient outcomes. If the staffing ratios did not improve patient outcomes because the nursing staff had no aides to assist patients with mundane things, that will still increase the workload for the nursing staff, and might still impact positive patient outcomes. If patient outcomes did not improve because the nursing staff was still overworked without the assistance of the aides, then the hospital industry could use that as a reason to prevent staffing ratios from being enacted in other states. I know that other states want to prevent staffing ratios from being enacted in their states, as well. JMHO and my NY $0.02 Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Staffing ratios

    I would document all incidents, on a separate log for your self, and another to present to the higher ups, and move up the food chain. Document all negative incidents, and don't forget about near misses. I would refuse to do another departments job (s),stick to the job description you were given when hired. Refer all complaints to your supervisor, don't get caught up in unhappy patients complaints. Move up the foodchain. If it doesn't get better, look for another job. JMH0 and my NY $0.02 Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Relocating to Spokane

    Hi Scott! I am responding to your request for information on Spokane. Why are your moving to Spokane? I moved here from California because I married someone who was Active Duty AF. To be honest, I have not been happy here at all. I have spent 26 miserable years here, with no end in sight. Not only does Spokane not have a nursing shortage, we are right next to North Idaho. Idaho bought the big lie, about 20+ years ago, and voted to become a, "right to work", state. Now Washington IS NOT a Right to Work state, but the economic conditions in Spokane, have made it vulnerable to being tinted by the stench of the Right to Work laws in Idaho. Spokane has always been an economically depressed area. The good jobs are all on the coast. Spokane's most profitable jobs have all been in health care. The economy depends on it. A large Kaiser factory, that was unionized, had good paying jobs, etc, was abruptly closed several ago by a greedy owner who wanted to break the union. When the plant closes, it put over 2000 people, who had living wage jobs, out of work. It causes a huge hiccup in the Spokane economy, with all of these people out of work with no money to spend in the local economy. Spokane has unreasonably low pay, and poor benefits as compared to Seattle, but the lower cost of living does not account for the low pay. Sacred Heart nurses are unionized with WSNA, and they do ok with them, not great. But Sacred Heart is much better than Deaconess. Both Deaconess and Sacred Heart were non profits, and Sacred Heart, a Catholic hospital is still non profit. When Deaconess was bough out by Community Health, they are a for profit, and it shows. Deaconess was owned by Empire Health for many years and was going under financially a few years ago. They were bought out by Community Health from Tennessee. A notorious, for profit, anti union company. Things were bad under Empire Health, so the employees unionized. Deaconess has been a bastion of anti union sentiment, forever. The nurses reluctantly unionized under 1199,under Empire Health, and with the coaching of Community Health, stirring the anti union sentiment, the nurses voted out 1199, a few short years later. The other department who unionized, Radiology, Lab, etc, remain unionized with 1199. Sacred Heart is my winner, hands down, over Deaconess. They each own smaller hospitals - Sacred Heart owns Holy Family in the North side of town, and Deaconess owns Valley Hospital in the Spokane Valley. Valley Hospital nurses have remained unionized with 1199. If you have experience, you should not have trouble getting a job. I would check their websites, and see what is available. I do not know what the pay scales are. You can check the WSNA web site and look at the union contract. Deaconess has to stay close, pay and benefits wise, or they would not have any nurses. Spokane has many schools of nursing right here in town- Spokane Community College, RN, and LPN programs, Washington State, Gonzaga University, Whitworth, College, BSN, right across the border in Idaho, is North Idaho College. ADN, Boise and Boise State, and I believe Lewis And Clark College have BSN and Masters programs as does the above college BSN programs, there are also ADN programs throughout Washington State, and programs in Idaho and Oregon. There are also several BSN and ADN programs in Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia. The Tricities area of Washington State, also has nice hospitals This is located in South Central Washington State and is comprises of Richland, Kennewick and Pasco. They are all right next to each other, hence the name, "Tricities". They also have their share of nursing programs. Tricities is right across the border to Oregon. Nurses have NEVER been treated especially well in Spokane. If you look at all of the nursing programs available, churning out new grads every six months, the, "right to work", right next door in Idaho, you can see why. I am glad that I am retired. PM me if you decide to move here, and I can show your around. Good Luck. Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN,(ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Staffing ratios

    My above post stated that, teachers have had student teacher ratios for years, because it was determined that, if a teacher had too many students in his/her, classrooms, that students did not learn. Since teachers are almost universally unionized, and can act in unison, they have the clout to enforce these teacher/student ratios, My comment was, that, no one ever died because they could not do long division, or diagram a sentence, but patients did not fare as well, when nurses had too many patients to be responsible for. As documented in the report from the IOM. So why do nurses have to fight to get the right to decide how many patients to care for? That is what I meant. Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Staffing ratios

    I meant, "diagram a sentence". Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (RET) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Staffing ratios

    Just remember when talking to politicians about this bill, remind them that TEACHERS HAVE HAD CLASSROOM RATIOS FOR YEARS. AND WHY DID TEACHERS PUSH FOR RATIOS IN THE CLASSROOMS? BECAUSE IT WAS DETERMINED BY STUDIES, THAT IF THERE ARE TOO MANY STUDENTS IN THE CLASSROOMS, THAT THEY DON'T LEARN. IMAGINE THAT! It is interesting that it took until the 1990's for any study to be done on staffing ratios, and it did not even come from nursing or the ANA. It came from the Institute of Medicine. Why was that? Because the PTB did not want the public to know how their lives were a risk when they were in the hospital, preferring to blame nurses for being whiney, and not having good, "organization skills", if they could not get their work accomplished on their shift. Blame the victim. It works every time. REMIND THEM THAT NO ONE EVER DIED BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT DO LONG DIVISION A SENTENCE, BUT PATIENTS ARE DYING BECAUSE NURSES HAVE TOO MANY PATIENTS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. PERIOD. IS ANYONE AMBITIOUS ENOUGH TO CALL ELLEN ON TV, AND TRY TO GET SOME TV EXPOSURE FOR THIS ISSUE? WE GO HER ATTENTION WITH THE ISSUE OF THE TV SHOW, "THE VOICE", THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO CAPITALIZE ON THE EXPOSURE OF NURSES IN THE MEDIA. JMHO AND MY NY $0.02 Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN,(ret ) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    An open letter to the #NursesUnite movement

    And as I have stated more than once on this listserve, the ANA is about as useful as tits on a bull. They know which side of their bread is buttered on, and it is NOT the nursing side. JMHO and my NY $0.02 Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Hospitals Firing Seasoned Nurses: Nurses FIGHT Back!

    We have the ANA and the State Nursing organizations to blame for this mess. If the ANA had just made the BSN as the entry into practice from the get go, hospitals would have to hire nurses with ADNs, and if there are any, though not many, Diploma nurses, and they would have to pay for educational programs for nurses to earn BSN. They could not demand they you have a BSN in so many years or be fired. They would have to pay for it. Just like they did in PT, OT, and Pharmacy, when they increased the entry into practice. They had the classes on site in the hospital, on hospital time. No one lost their job if they did not have the higher degree. The ANA has let the marketplace determine the entry into practice. That is not in the scope of the marketplace. It is the scope of the professional organization that governs the profession-The ANA. And as we say in Brooklyn, the ANA is about as useful as tits on a bull. Why is nursing not being afforded the same consideration? Because there are now too many of us, we have NO clout, and no one cares. Nurses are so used to be treated like dirt, it is just another day at work, being stepped on and being treated like an unimportant cog in the wheel. Older nurses are being shown the door, in spite of having been devoted employees for many years. It is the same practice all over the country with globalization. Unfortunately the PTB cannot export our jobs to China or India. Smart individuals go for the higher educational level, whether required or not, to ensure that they meet market expectations, now and in the future. It has not been a secret, that the BSN as a requirement was coming. As I stated above, individuals who are looking to change careers, would do well to research these issues before spending several years of their life, and many thousand of their own money, only to find themselves unemployable in today's employment climate. JMHO and my NY $0.02 Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN(ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    LPN - can they force me to do this?

    Thinning the herd- Darwin. Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
  15. It is really not enough to contact congressman to complain about staffing. We need to go to the people who are affected by unsafe staffing ratios- the patients and their families. They are the ones who are affected when we have too many patients to care for. We need to have large rallies in very public places, with the news, press, CNN with the cameras rolling. Just like teachers do. Here in Washington State, the teachers just settled a contract where they go raises, benefits improvements etc. The camera were rolling, the news and the papers were there, and they got what they wanted. Why is it so hard for nurses to do the same thing? Probably cause nurses are not as uniformly unionized as teachers. And also because we lost the edge we had, when there really was a shortage of nurse. The delay allowed the hospitals and nursing homes to petition our elected officials to expand nursing programs, dramatically increase enrollments, to the point that for probably the first time in history, there is a glut of nurses there is a significant glut of nurses, and new grads are going for years before being able to get a job. We have no one to blame but ourselves for this mess. This is NOT and accident in any way shape of form. This was a strategically planned and targeted campaign, to dis empower the nursing profession, in the light of the power of nursing organizations like NNOC, and the NYSNA. These organizations have made great strides in allowing nurses to have control of their workplace, attain livable wages, benefits, and pension plans. And anyone who does not believe this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would be happy to sell you. This is what nurses needed to be fighting, not fighting to maintain an antiquated nursing education system (diplomas), and the ADN, which was instituted to streamline the nursing educational system, getting nurses in the employment pipeline in two years, instead of 2 1/2 years or three. Now they are done in two years, or supposedly two years. Pump em out, and throw them out when they are burned out. Folks we need to do a better job. We need to get our voices out to the public, concerning staffing ratios, etc, to OUR customer, our patients. I would not be against getting Kelly Johnson, Miss Colorado, with her popularity, and notoriety, to be our face to the public. It has to start somewhere, but it needs to start. The PTB, are increasingly deskilling our professional practice and handing it to HS dropouts, to perform. If we continue down this route, we will not have a profession to practice in a few short years. JMHO and my NY $0.02 Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW
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    Why I am not Surprised by Joy Behar's Ignorant Comments

    Do any of you remember the show,China Beach, with the actress, Dana Delaney? It was a good show and did a good job of portraying nurses. There was a, "Reunion" , show done a couple of years later that was also good. The reunion show focused on the group going to the Vietnam Memorial Wall. She had wanted to look up a soldier that she took care of. He had internal injuries that were inoperable. He had on shock trousers to keep his BP up, but they had to take it off, and he was going to die from blood loss when the did. He asked her what it was like to die. He made her promise that she would always remember him. Well when they got to the Wall she could not remember his name. The show goes on with everyones issues, etc, and they were all leaving the next day. She wakes up the last night there, reaches for the note pad and pen on the night stand, and writes something down. The next morning she goes back to the Wall, with the name of the soldier that she finally remembered, and finds his name. She takes an old coffee cup taped over, and opened it up. It contained sand from China Beach that she had taken as a souvenir. She opened it up and poured it on the ground under the soldier's name. You can see that this was her closure. Women suffered from PTSD just like the men but it has not been as widely spoken about, or recognized. Several years ago, I attended military school on Battlefield Nursing. One of the speakers was an Retired Army nurse who had served Vietnam. She had the opportunity meet Dana Delaney at a nurses conference. She said the Dana Delaney had a sincere desire to portray the nurses in a positive light. But the actress had to do what the producers wanted. The army nurse said that even though the portrayal of the army nurses was right on, she disliked all of the sleeping around that was in the TV show. She acknowledged that social mores were changing, but that the feelings were that, "nice girls didn't" . This was one of the better shows that featured nurses it has been down hill since then. Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret) Somewhere in the PACNW