Am I reading this right? The bill is SB 1159, which looks like it passed to me when I look it up on the California legislature website -- with the following language:
@ elkpark: But illegal immigrants are US taxpayers. Non citizens, whether legal or not, pay taxes just like we do. Our free schools aren't actually free. They're supported by ocal property taxes, along with state and federal support derived from sales and income taxes.
Most illegals in USA do not pay taxes. Many are labors and get paid cash daily.
You can see lawncare services all over my city all called liked Sotos' Mowing, Hernandez Landscaping they are all paid cash, don't charge sales tax (Like legitimate companies are legally required to do) and they pay all their employee cash.
They are building houses right and left in North Dallas, all the crews are illegal aliens and they are paid as 1099's and no taxes taken out, I am sure they never file any tax returns.
I would say there a is a much larger portions of Illegals that don't pay taxes, than do pay taxes.
And if they do actually get a W2 at the end of the year, then they file returns and get all their money back. What is the IRS going to do and Illegal Alien in the USA, Nothing.......
Way too easy to buy a degree especially in country like China
But we are talking about undocumented immigrants in the United States. Specifically, about undocumented immigrants who have already gone through nursing school in the US.
But we are talking about undocumented immigrants in the United States. Specifically, about undocumented immigrants who have already gone through nursing school in the US.
Negative.
You are talking about undocumented immigrants , I am talking about illegal aliens in general.
So you are one of those who believe that people who come her illegally are considered "Undocumented or Enter without inspection"
So you are one of those who believe that people who come her illegally are considered "Undocumented or Enter without inspection"
Considering that USCIS/DHS refers to them as 'unlawfully present' and having 'entered without inspection', and considering that nowhere in USCIS/DHS canon are they ever called 'illegal aliens', then yes. We just finished the years-long process of adjusting my husband's status after he was here without papers for 15 years (13 years of marriage). Never once did 'illegal alien' appear on any paperwork. 'Entered without inspection' and 'unlawfully present', however, did. Multiple times.
Even if USCIS did call them that, I still would not. 'Illegal aliens' is a horribly dehumanizing term for people who bleed the same color blood as you. These are my friends and family. For 13 years, it was my husband.
If you bother to go back and check, the OP of this thread is in fact about undocumented students sitting for the NCLEX exam after finishing nursing school. Some people have turned it into their personal soapbox for other issues but that does not change the original point of the thread.
Considering that USCIS/DHS refers to them as 'unlawfully present' and having 'entered without inspection', and considering that nowhere in USCIS/DHS canon are they ever called 'illegal aliens', then yes. We just finished the years-long process of adjusting my husband's status after he was here without papers for 15 years (13 years of marriage). Never once did 'illegal alien' appear on any paperwork. 'Entered without inspection' and 'unlawfully present', however, did. Multiple times.
Even if USCIS did call them that, I still would not. 'Illegal aliens' is a horribly dehumanizing term for people who bleed the same color blood as you. These are my friends and family. For 13 years, it was my husband.
If you bother to go back and check, the OP of this thread is in fact about undocumented students sitting for the NCLEX exam after finishing nursing school. Some people have turned it into their personal soapbox for other issues but that does not change the original point of the thread.
What's the difference between "unlawful" and "illegal"?
I am sorry that you think that the term, "illegal alien", is a, . 'Illegal aliens' is a horribly dehumanizing term for people who bleed the same color blood as you.
The fact of the matter is that they came here illegally, and/or, overstayed their visas, and broke our laws. Yes, I am sure that there are many who are very good people who want a better life for themselves, and their children. As sad as that is, we cannot let in the entire world.
No other country, would let people work in a profession, that did not have a legal authority to work there. Why should we let these people stay here, and take jobs from Americans.
It still seem really dumb to ship them out as soon as they are in a position to pay back the taxes the nativists claim they are sucking up.
You're right. We should be much more aggressive about finding and deporting them before they get established and spend a significant amount of time here. We shouldn't be allowing people who can't prove they're here legally to attend our institutions of higher education (personally, I don't think we should be allowing them in our primary or secondary schools, either, but that's a different conversation). People shouldn't be graduating from professional schools and then complaining that they can't get a professional license because they're illegal.
I am sorry that you think that the term, "illegal alien", is a, . 'Illegal aliens' is a horribly dehumanizing term for people who bleed the same color blood as you.
The fact of the matter is that they came here illegally, and/or, overstayed their visas, and broke our laws. Yes, I am sure that there are many who are very good people who want a better life for themselves, and their children. As sad as that is, we cannot let in the entire world.
No other country, would let people work in a profession, that did not have a legal authority to work there. Why should we let these people stay here, and take jobs from Americans.
We just do no need them .
Plenty of other countries have immigration issues. Some deal with it more compassionately than others. If you pay even mild attention to world issues you will know this.
Frankly, it is I who am sorry for you that you can't be orificed to use the same terms that immigration uses for unlawfully present immigrants, insisting instead on using terms that dehumanize (HORDES of ILLEGAL ALIENS) your fellow man. I'm also sorry that you believe they're actually taking jobs away from Americans. If you know Americans willing to work in the fields 12-14 hours per day and pick the fruits/veggies/tobacco that we consume, then please pass them along. I know farmers who can always use the help.
All most of us did was drop out of the right uterus at the right time in history. All this 'we' versus 'them' self-righteousness is silly.
Plenty of other countries have immigration issues. Some deal with it more compassionately than others. If you pay even mild attention to world issues you will know this.
Plenty of us do pay attention to world issues. Yes, other countries have "immigration issues." Please point me to any other country that issues professional licenses to "unlawfully present immigrants" (you say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to ...) and officially allows them to pursue a career (and, while you're at it, please point me any other country that welcomes "unlawfully present immigrants" and officially allows them to stay and make a home).
And, again, what exactly is your understanding of the difference in meaning between "unlawful" and "illegal"? (Other than that one sounds a little nicer than the other. Ya gotta love those polite euphemisms!)
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Several countries will not issue professional licenses to non citizens. For example, if you are not a Filipino citizen you are not eligible to take the NLE or become licensed as a nurse in the Philippines even if you were educated in the Philippines. (Regardless if your presence in the Philippines is lawful or not. Non citizen = no nursing license)
@elkpark: sadly, we don't have a time machine to go back and deport children before they take advantage of our tax-supported education.
But here's the thing. The nativist party line is that undocumented immigrants are stealing us blind by using publicly funded benefits and (supposedly) paying no taxes to support them.
So, when undocumented workers want to work for more than minimum wage so they can pay back the taxpayers' investment, do nativists want to prevent them from doing so? Seems fiscally irresponsible to me. A surprising position from those who claim such outrage over misuse of taxpayer funds.
It suggests to me that the nativist agenda has little to do with careful stewardship of public funds.
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Most illegals in USA do not pay taxes. Many are labors and get paid cash daily.
You can see lawncare services all over my city all called liked Sotos' Mowing, Hernandez Landscaping they are all paid cash, don't charge sales tax (Like legitimate companies are legally required to do) and they pay all their employee cash.
They are building houses right and left in North Dallas, all the crews are illegal aliens and they are paid as 1099's and no taxes taken out, I am sure they never file any tax returns.
I would say there a is a much larger portions of Illegals that don't pay taxes, than do pay taxes.
And if they do actually get a W2 at the end of the year, then they file returns and get all their money back. What is the IRS going to do and Illegal Alien in the USA, Nothing.......