does IL recognize deaconess grads?

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Hi everyone! I am an LPN in IL, i know that my state does not recognize excelsior degrees......but do they consider deaconess? the program sounds awesome. thanks for any info you can provide! :rolleyes:

So like, wow man...dig...I have been accepted into a *real* program that is supposed to be really far out and solid and right on (Baptist School of Nursing in Arkansas starts january 3) but I thought I would do the Excelsior thing because it would be more convenient than going to class...I don't even have any desire to visit California much less work there but like, I want to know what you think, would you choose the real program over Excelsior? Which way would you go?

I'm not sure where the "wow man, dig" comes into play, but in any event...

If I could have found a B&M (brick and mortar) RN program that would work around a Kelly schedule (in my case, rotating 48 hour shifts - 2 on, 4 off), and wouldn't require me to take (or retake) two years of prerequisites, I would have chosen that over a DL program.

If I had to choose between EC and DCN, with all else being equal, I would have chosen DCN. However, given time and financial constraints, EC was my best choice. If I had the money (cash-in-hand - no more debt for me, thanks) and the time, I'd have given DCN some serious thought.

Regardless of any desire to visit/work in California, something to consider when choosing a DL program would be future acceptance in OTHER states. Pick the states in which you might like to work in the future, and make sure that whichever DL program you choose is likely to continue to be accepted there. In the case of California, the anti-EC rumblings were around long enough to give people plenty of time to enroll while they still could.

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kelly,

did deaconess or the ny and ca boards confirm this? i had not heard this before...anyone with specifics please advise...

thanks!

cheri

cheri,

i just spoke with scott ragsdale in admissions at dcn and asked him to explain exactly the situation. if a student is living in new york or california the dcn program is not an option for them because dcn can not get any preceptors in those states. the reason for this is the liability and insurance issues. apparently, the nurse preceptor would be putting her license in jeopardy if any incident was to take place. however, a student who is a graduate of the dcn program and later decides to go to either of these states to work can be licensed. the bon of ny and ca does not have any problem with the program or its graduates. scott also wanted me to understand that when you graduate from the dcn online program your diploma says "graduate of deaconess college of nursing" not "graduate of deaconess college of nursing online". i hope that this helps.

kelly:)

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cheri,

i just spoke with scott ragsdale in admissions at dcn and asked him to explain exactly the situation. if a student is living in new york or california the dcn program is not an option for them because dcn can not get any preceptors in those states. the reason for this is the liability and insurance issues. apparently, the nurse preceptor would be putting her license in jeopardy if any incident was to take place. however, a student who is a graduate of the dcn program and later decides to go to either of these states to work can be licensed. the bon of ny and ca does not have any problem with the program or its graduates. scott also wanted me to understand that when you graduate from the dcn online program your diploma says "graduate of deaconess college of nursing" not "graduate of deaconess college of nursing online". i hope that this helps.

kelly:)

ahhh..now it makes sense. it's the preceptorship that they have a problem with. i still don't get it though because one of the largest independent learning nursing programs in the nation is based in ny.

thanks for the info.

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Ahhh..now it makes sense. It's the preceptorship that they have a problem with. I still don't get it though because one of the largest independent learning nursing programs in the nation is based in NY.

Thanks for the info.

That's kind of odd, because DCN is owned by Tenet, and Tenet owns hospitals in CA (I don't know about NY.) But it doesn't really surprise me, unfortunately.

Of course, if a CA resident was truly motivated to attend DCN, Oregon/Nevada/Arizona are fairly short drives considering the limited amount of clinical time. I gather the same could be said for NY residents and NJ, CT, etc.

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Sorry guys, I forgot to mention one thing. The information that got from Scott Ragsdale applies only to the ADN program not the RN to BSN program. So if you are in NY and CA you can do that program online with DCN.

Kelly:)

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i just spoke with scott ragsdale in admissions at dcn and asked him to explain exactly the situation. if a student is living in new york or california the dcn program is not an option for them because dcn can not get any preceptors in those states. the reason for this is the liability and insurance issues. apparently, the nurse preceptor would be putting her license in jeopardy if any incident was to take place. however, a student who is a graduate of the dcn program and later decides to go to either of these states to work can be licensed. the bon of ny and ca does not have any problem with the program or its graduates. scott also wanted me to understand that when you graduate from the dcn online program your diploma says "graduate of deaconess college of nursing" not "graduate of deaconess college of nursing online". i hope that this helps.

kelly,

thanks for this info...very helpful!

cheri

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That's kind of odd, because DCN is owned by Tenet, and Tenet owns hospitals in CA (I don't know about NY.) But it doesn't really surprise me, unfortunately.

Of course, if a CA resident was truly motivated to attend DCN, Oregon/Nevada/Arizona are fairly short drives considering the limited amount of clinical time. I gather the same could be said for NY residents and NJ, CT, etc.

deej,

I asked the DCN Clinical Liason about Tenet Hospitals offering preceptors to DCN students. She said that some do and some don't...So there is no guarantee.

Your suggestion concerning commuting for clinicals is excellent...it would definitely represent a motivation to "Git-R-Done" as Opal would put it!

Cheri

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I think Excelsior will work for me then, because I intend to remain in nursing only as long as it takes me to get my PhD and become a psychotherapist (it's stinks that I have to make one career a stepping stone to get to another.

I think it's funny, though, because one time I mentioned I thought in-school learning had its definite advantages over distance learning and I nearly got my head bitten off.

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Deaconess and Forest Park Hospital have recently been sold by Tenet to Argilla Healthcare.

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I think Excelsior will work for me then,
because I intend to remain in nursing only as long as it takes me to get my PhD and become a psychotherapist (it's stinks that I have to make one career a stepping stone to get to another.
I think it's funny, though, because one time I mentioned I thought in-school learning had its definite advantages over distance learning and I nearly got my head bitten off.

what does this mean? You do not have to have a PhD to be a psychotherapist. There are a lot of other options like masters level: LPC, MSW, etc...you should probably talk to some people that are already in the field to get an idea of what they are doing. I am an LPC and have been in private practice for awhile. I am now looking at also getting my nursing degree.

Open your mind to the possibilities and remember that people have their own perspectives on Deaconess. Just because it does not work for you--does not mean that it won't work for others.

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Hi. Yes, I'm aware that you don't have to be a PhD to be a psychotherapist (at least not in my state) but it is just a personal goal of mine. My father-in-law is a retired psychologist and I am a couple of classes short of a bachelor's degree in psychology. I want to specialize in EMDR/IADC, I feel like I can make a positive difference in peoples' lives and I am thinking I will find the psychology profession more rewarding than nursing.

I'm not ragging on Deaconess students or even the program but what steels my wool is the way the school is taking people to the cleaners with what they charge. They are taking advantage of people and in a major way. It makes my stomach hurt.

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Hi. Yes, I'm aware that you don't have to be a PhD to be a psychotherapist (at least not in my state) but it is just a personal goal of mine. My father-in-law is a retired psychologist and I am a couple of classes short of a bachelor's degree in psychology. I want to specialize in EMDR/IADC, I feel like I can make a positive difference in peoples' lives and I am thinking I will find the psychology profession more rewarding than nursing.

I'm not ragging on Deaconess students or even the program but what steels my wool is the way the school is taking people to the cleaners with what they charge. They are taking advantage of people and in a major way. It makes my stomach hurt.

Take some Pepto Bismol and look at other schools and realize that they are right in line with them. You can't compare DCN with Excelsior. As Opal said, Excelsior is self-study and DCN is not. It's time to get off of your high horse now. Geez! How annoying!

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