I did something stupid... no, embarrassing and stupid

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Okay, first I want to make it clear that this is not a thread about religion. Please, let's not discuss our personal views of religion, that isn't my topic.

Here is my problem. I have two patients, D and J. D and J (I'm serious here folks) share the same biological mother and they share the same husband. D is preggers with her 17th child and J is preggers with her 14th child. There are several other wives to this gentleman but they aren't my patients.

Today I was talking to the MD office getting some orders (home infusion co,) and although the topic was J I mentioned something I needed for D as well. The woman on the phone acted confused and I was trying to explain their relationship tactfully. I started to say that D was going to borrow something from her ... frie... sist... umm... suddenly I drew a total blank at how they would refer to one another. I finally blurted out "co-wives!" Oh geez, what an idiot I am. The stuttering and stammering on my part was not intentional, I was actually looking for a respectful term and I wasn't coming up with anything and the more I stammered trying to find the right term the more it looked like I was looking for a smart remark or insulting term. It felt like this went on for a long time but it was really just seconds. The more I realized what a butt I was making of myself the more I stuttered and couldn't come up with a word.

Finally the woman on the phone kindly reminded me that we are all women and they are just like me. Just women. She did think I was trying to come up with an insulting remark. She was also tactfully telling me that she is also one of many wives to the same husband.

I just came clean with her. I said look, I don't know how I am going to get out of this one other than to apologize. I was trying to come up with a respectful term and I drew a blank. I am so very sorry. She laughed and told me she was used to this. I did explain that I just froze and nothing bright was coming to mind. I really was looking for a respectful term.

She laughed and said not to worry, she believed me. But she just asked me one question, would I please just promise her one thing. I said sure, what is it? She asked that I not believe everything I see and hear in the media. She said it just isn't like the media makes this out to be.

A little history. I live in Arizona and there are parts of AZ that have Mormons that believe in this lifestyle. There has been a great deal of media coverage on this and the are blasting these folks. I really don't know much about this lifestyle but today I realized I need to learn about it.

I am in serious need of a lesson in culture here. I point blank admitted this to the woman on the phone. She said she would see what she could find. I was looking for something to read and understand their point of view. She said she would do some checking and let me know.

A couple of hours later she called me and said that she came up with.. nothing. They are extremely private people and they just don't talk about their world much and they don't write about it. She asked around and pondered this since our previous conversation and she wasn't able to come up with anything.

I asked if I could ask a question and she said sure, go for it. I asked my question and she answered from her point of view.

This makes me realize, I don't want to be in that position again. I want to learn more about this but I don't know how. I want to be respectful of my patients but I'm at a loss as to how to do this.

Any suggestions for some good reading? A place where my questions will be answered? The more I understand their ways of living and thinking the better I can do for my two patients.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. And does anyone have any similar experiences?

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

I think you did very good and you learned a little more, and you certainly weren't judgemental. Give yourself a break!

Okay, first I want to make it clear that this is not a thread about religion. Please, let's not discuss our personal views of religion, that isn't my topic.

Here is my problem. I have two patients, D and J. D and J (I'm serious here folks) share the same biological mother and they share the same husband. D is preggers with her 17th child and J is preggers with her 14th child. There are several other wives to this gentleman but they aren't my patients.

Today I was talking to the MD office getting some orders (home infusion co,) and although the topic was J I mentioned something I needed for D as well. The woman on the phone acted confused and I was trying to explain their relationship tactfully. I started to say that D was going to borrow something from her ... frie... sist... umm... suddenly I drew a total blank at how they would refer to one another. I finally blurted out "co-wives!" Oh geez, what an idiot I am. The stuttering and stammering on my part was not intentional, I was actually looking for a respectful term and I wasn't coming up with anything and the more I stammered trying to find the right term the more it looked like I was looking for a smart remark or insulting term. It felt like this went on for a long time but it was really just seconds. The more I realized what a butt I was making of myself the more I stuttered and couldn't come up with a word.

Finally the woman on the phone kindly reminded me that we are all women and they are just like me. Just women. She did think I was trying to come up with an insulting remark. She was also tactfully telling me that she is also one of many wives to the same husband.

I just came clean with her. I said look, I don't know how I am going to get out of this one other than to apologize. I was trying to come up with a respectful term and I drew a blank. I am so very sorry. She laughed and told me she was used to this. I did explain that I just froze and nothing bright was coming to mind. I really was looking for a respectful term.

She laughed and said not to worry, she believed me. But she just asked me one question, would I please just promise her one thing. I said sure, what is it? She asked that I not believe everything I see and hear in the media. She said it just isn't like the media makes this out to be.

A little history. I live in Arizona and there are parts of AZ that have Mormons that believe in this lifestyle. There has been a great deal of media coverage on this and the are blasting these folks. I really don't know much about this lifestyle but today I realized I need to learn about it.

I am in serious need of a lesson in culture here. I point blank admitted this to the woman on the phone. She said she would see what she could find. I was looking for something to read and understand their point of view. She said she would do some checking and let me know.

A couple of hours later she called me and said that she came up with.. nothing. They are extremely private people and they just don't talk about their world much and they don't write about it. She asked around and pondered this since our previous conversation and she wasn't able to come up with anything.

I asked if I could ask a question and she said sure, go for it. I asked my question and she answered from her point of view.

This makes me realize, I don't want to be in that position again. I want to learn more about this but I don't know how. I want to be respectful of my patients but I'm at a loss as to how to do this.

Any suggestions for some good reading? A place where my questions will be answered? The more I understand their ways of living and thinking the better I can do for my two patients.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. And does anyone have any similar experiences?

Hi,

I too have heard the word "sister wife" used. I think it was through t.v., documentaries, etc.

It sounds to me like you handled the situation w. great tact. But then, I'm a nursing student and I often have to stumble some and then just say "I don't know".

In school we're taught to be sensative to cultural differences (and taught some basic ideas such as both Islam and Judaism forbid eating pork, etc) but to not assume that because a patient belongs to a certain cultural group, he/she subscribes to all parts of that doctrine. Basically, we're taught to ask the patient if there are cultural/religious beliefs they have that will impact their health care. Something along that line. It sounds a little akward, I don't know how it'll work in real life.

As for children, I live and go to school near some small southern towns. During the maternity rotation we saw a number of 13/14 year old girls who were preganant/giving birth. I worked with 19 year old girls who had several children already.

I never could get a handle on the "legalities" or the nurses responsibility with these situations. I did ask whether or not the hospital reported to the police situations of "statutory rape", but no one seemed to know. Or it was assumed everything was handled by the social workers.

I would think getting an understanding of the child protective laws in your state might help you with worries about young girls.

As for the way you are handling the culture there, your desire to be sensative/respectful and to know what these folk's religion/life, etc. means to them is pretty much all good. I think, anyhow.

You should be congratulated for attempting to come up with a respectful word. As I put myself in your situation, I might have said "wife #2" or "second wife". I am sure a Google search would net you some information. You might want to look in a online bookstore as well.

Your apology, explanation, and request for additional information from the person you were talking with is a great example of "getting foot from mouth". An apology works wonders in any situation. Asking advice on what to say is the next best thing. You did BOTH! :bow:

Lucy Mack, the mother of Joseph Smith - the Prophet, is a second cousin five-times removed of mine. The Mack Farm in Vermont has the monument dedicated to the movement. I visited there in 2002 while on a genealogy search.

I am sorry to say that I have not researched that aspect of my family history. :o You have however perked my interest and will let you know if I come up with some information. You might want to check the Latter Day Saints site at familysearch.org for some books. It is mostly dedicated to genealogy but has a search engine in the library section.

First, I think that the way you handled your mistake was the right way - to just say, gee I don't know exactly what to say, sorry!

Second, these people are not Mormon. So, please you cannot lump them all together. Polygamists practice some form of the religion, but in no way are associated with the group as a whole. Really, they are a complete and separate group.

You should *not* feel embarassed or stupid at all! I'm sure very few, if any, members of this board would have known what to say if placed in the same situation. You did a great job.

I do have one question though. You said that the woman you were speaking with on the phone was another wife of the same man. Was she the M.D. or a nurse, or what? Just curious, because I, like you, just thought that the wives were not allowed to work outiside of the home. Interesting...

Anyway, while I think that polygamy is a disgusting concept, when you think about it it's really not any different than all of these single men who are going around impregnating baby momma after baby momma and not supporting those children at all, let alone *marrying* the mothers.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Nursing Education.

why is co-wife offensive?

First, I think that the way you handled your mistake was the right way - to just say, gee I don't know exactly what to say, sorry!

Second, these people are not Mormon. So, please you cannot lump them all together. Polygamists practice some form of the religion, but in no way are associated with the group as a whole. Really, they are a complete and separate group.

They aren't Mormon? I guess I kind of view it like how Catholics and Baptists are Christians, just not the same brand. The Colorado City Mormons are Mormons just not like the folks in Mesa, Arizona.

I have always been of the belief that there are as many Gods out there are there are believers. :chuckle

You should *not* feel embarassed or stupid at all! I'm sure very few, if any, members of this board would have known what to say if placed in the same situation. You did a great job.

I do have one question though. You said that the woman you were speaking with on the phone was another wife of the same man. Was she the M.D. or a nurse, or what? Just curious, because I, like you, just thought that the wives were not allowed to work outiside of the home. Interesting...

Anyway, while I think that polygamy is a disgusting concept, when you think about it it's really not any different than all of these single men who are going around impregnating baby momma after baby momma and not supporting those children at all, let alone *marrying* the mothers.

The gal I talked to yesterday is a nurse (I believe) and although she is one of multiple wives to the same man, it isn't the same husband as my patients.

When I realized she was one of multiple wives to one husband I *almost* blurted out... "You are allowed to work??" But I caught myself, it really was a reaction. I thought the ladies were not permitted to work as well. But, I was wrong about that too!

I can't say I believe multiple spouses is a 'disgusting' practice or concept, it isn't for me but I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say disgusting. My b/f is Hindu and they have some strange stuff they do. It's bizarre to me but it is his culture and quite natural for him. That doesn't mean I don't step back and look at him with a raised eyebrow every now and again, I have always tried to see things from his perspective.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

To each their own, i'm just not willing to share my husband.

why is co-wife offensive?

It was a combination of things. My stuttering, half words, my embarrassment at how I knew I sounded, and then just blurting out co-wives. Suffice it to say it didn't come out right and I was left with my big fat foot in my stupid mouth. :chuckle It sounded like I was attempting to come up with a crappy remark and that really wasn't what I meant.

To each their own, i'm just not willing to share my husband.

Yep! There are some things I'll share with anyone but not R! He's mine and it will stay that way. :chuckle

Specializes in Telemetry, ICU, Resource Pool, Dialysis.

AZMichelle, No I don't think you would get the absolute truth. I think you would get the spin version that they want you to get. I totally understand your dilemma. You seem more concerned about the young girls having arranged marriages. Consenting adults is one thing, but you're right, does a teenage girl who has been raised in a culture where this is expected really have the opportunity to say "no, I don't want to live like this"? I don't think so. And before you know it, she has 12 kids and is trapped, along with her daughters. I'm willing to bet you could find some information (I have no idea where) about women who have gotten out and have some stories to tell. I have to tell you that I think your attitude is great- wanting to learn more about the lifestyle, and trying to be open-minded.

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