I SAW HIM! - Near Death Experiences

Nurse seeing patients in the clinic on a usual day notes that unusually three patients back to back had Near Death Experiences. Coincidence? Nurses Spirituality Article

I scanned my list of patients for the day. Three unfamiliar names back to back in the morning; a prenatal visit, an INR (a patient on the blood thinner Coumadin) patient and a BP check patient. I knew the rest of the names on my schedule.

My first patient Pamela was 36 years old and 32 weeks pregnant. As I went through the prenatal questions, I watched the joy in her eyes and the peace on her face and felt my gut tighten. When she answered yes to the question of domestic and physical abuse in the past, I felt an inner prompting to ask the question burning inside me.

"Pam, have you seen the light?" I had this weird knack of sensing if a person had a NDE (Near Death Experience) in the past. I always saw serenity in them, no matter how bad of a situation they were going through physically, mentally or emotionally. The calmness always triggered my questions as I have a burning desire to know about the other world, our true home!

Pam smiled and softly replied, "Yes!"

"Would you mind sharing the experience with me?"

"Not at all!" She replied.

"So when did you see the light?"

"When I was being stabbed 44 times by my ex in front of our 4 year old daughter."

"What?!"

"Yes, it's true. He was always physically abusive to me."

"How did you survive?"

"My friend had called the cops. They were on the other side of the door, trying to get to me. I had to hold on as I was afraid he would kill my daughter once he killed me."

"So at what point did you see the light?"

"While he was stabbing me, I felt myself slip out of my body and travel in this beautiful light. I saw Him. Jesus! He told me not to worry. That everything will be all right. I then came back into my body."

"How did you get out of the apartment?"

"After he stabbed me 44 times, he opened the door for the cops and they arrested him. The cop had to step over my body to get my daughter."

I sat there stunned, listening. "Is your daughter ok?"

"Yes, she is better now but we both had to get help to recover."

"What about the ex? Where is he now?"

"He served time and is out and moved away."

"Do you worry about him?"

"No, I trust in the Lord. Like he is said everything is OK. I am married to another man who is very loving and I am happy with him."

"How do you use this experience?"

"I speak to others about my experience especially to my daughter's friends. They are 16 year olds and both my daughter and I speak to them especially if they have weird boyfriends that are controlling."

"What do you have to say to the world as a survivor?"

"Be there for others, whether you are a parent, friend, neighbor or acquaintance. I had no support system from family or friends when I was being abused except that one friend who saved my life. Don't be silent, but reach out and help."

I asked her permission to share her story and she said softly," By all means! If my story can save a life, my life is worthy of Him!"

I thanked her and had to center myself in my office for five minutes before I called in the second patient.

As he walked in, a young 35 year old called Mathew Joseph, my heart sank! "Another one Lord?" I mentally asked as I smiled and shook hands with him. As I checked his INR (Blood test) and reviewed his medical history, he answered calmly, the peace sitting strangely in direct opposition from all the medical issues he was having. He had three cardiac surgeries in the past and was on disability. So was his wife who had chronic back problems. He had an adult stepson and a 16 year old that was struggling academically and was in summer school. He matter of fact told me that every day was a struggle to live and sometimes he had to choose food over medicines. His INR was within range and we discussed his Coumadin dosing and follow up appointment and gave him a printed calendar with instructions, dosing and follow up appointment. Now that was out to the way, I turned to him and asked him,

"How do you manage all this? You seem so calm!"

He smiled and said, "Because I live in faith."

"You have seen the light, haven't you?"

"Yes! How do you know though? No one has asked me before."

"I am not sure but I see the peace on your face and felt it. Can you tell me how?"

"My first surgery. During the operation, I saw myself leaving my body and going to the light. I saw him, Jesus! He told me that my purpose in life was not over and I had to come back to earth. I didn't want to but I came back like he wanted me to. They told me that they had to do CPR in the table."

"How did you feel Mathew?" His eyes shone with tears of joy!

"Happy! I did not want to leave him. He is beautiful, so full of love"

"Have you ever read Embraced by the light by Betty J Eadie? That book changed my life and gave me a better understanding of life and death."

"No, can you write it down for me?"

"Sure", I wrote in on a yellow sticky and gave it to him. He looked anxiously at the paper and something tipped me.

"Do you have difficulty reading?" I asked him calmly.

"Yes! I read but cannot comprehend or sound it out although; I understand it kind of in my head. I grabbed another sticky and wrote a number for the college of optometry in my city that gave children and adults with reading comprehension issues vision therapy that dramatically helped them improve. I should know, as my oldest went through vision therapy and is a third year student in college now and my youngest is presently getting vision therapy and is "graduating" next week as per her optometrist. Mathew was very happy and grateful. I realized that hardships in my life were to be used to better his life. We need to share our knowledge to help one another and better each other's life.

We briefly discussed the great spiritual battle for souls between good and evil that is happening in the unseen spirit world. He shared with me that he had seen evil, take shape by his bedside in the form of a handsome "doctor" who wagged his fingers at him and told him that he would die and not make it through operation #2.

"How did you know that he was evil, Mathew? "I asked curiously.

"His eyes had so much hatred for me and I sensed something bad around him."

"Well? How did you respond?"

"I told him that I was ok with dying as I was going to Christ and I was happy about that" he smiled.

"Then what happened?"

"He disappeared on me, just like that! Poof! My wife was entering the room and did not even see him."

"Do you tell her?"

"Yes! She had a hard time believing me but that's ok! I just don't understand one thing. What is my purpose in life?"

"That is a tough one Mathew but I think our purpose in life is to be the best version of ourselves daily and love one another like He loved us."

"That's it?"

"Yup! You don't have to be a saint or sinner, rich, poor, talented or not, just put in the effort daily, be kind to each other and appreciate life daily. Sometimes when you are in a hospital/clinic/medical setting you might meet someone whom your stories inspire. This is what you are made for. There may or may not be an 'aha' moment".

"So do your best daily?"

"Yes! Mathew! Let your life be an example for others. Practice what you preach as actions are louder than words!"

He left happy. I needed another five minutes breather in my office to recover as I mulled over our conversation. This was turning out to be a strange day---! I called in my third patient. A ninety year old called Eva Garcia for a BP check! Even though she was frail, she had a mischievous glint in her eyes and a ready smile. Her daughter Ava wheeled her in! This had to be a cosmic joke, I thought! Another one that has seen the light! What are the odds?! Maybe, I am meant to write about their experiences, I thought---.

The visit was straight forward. Her BP was better than mine. We discussed diet, meds, monitoring BP at home and any concerns. As I wrapped up the visit with questions about her support system, I learned that she had lost her husband when she was in her early 20's, never remarried and took care of 4 children, the youngest Ava was 7.

"You were young Senorita Eva. Did you not want to marry?"

"No! I was not comfortable as I had 2 daughters and did not want to bring a strange man into the house."

"Wow! How did you manage?"

"Times were hard but I did. We were poor but happy. All my kids are settled. Ava is a retired teacher now!"

"You should be proud. Did you miss your husband?"

"Yes but he wanted to take me to the light"

This was my opening---! "What do you mean Senorita? Did you have a near death experience?"

"No! Never, but I dreamed him after the funeral."

"You did? What did you see?"

"He was in the light calling me to come to him. I told him no, the children were too small and I had to take care of them."

"Did it give you strength to go on?"

"Yes, and everything turned out ok. I am happy." I thanked her and Ava wheeled her out.

I had asked all of them if I could share their stories and they were happy about it and gave me permission to share this with all of you readers. I noticed that they were happy to be asked and share their experiences with me. They did not fear death but lived each day to the fullest doing their best. There was a calmness and peace about them as they had seen the other side and did not fear it.

I felt privileged to hear their stories and I am sure many more patients, visitors and family members have experiences like this to share. I make it a point to ask code survivors that are awake if they had any out of the body experiences that they remembered. It is an opportunity for them to relive their experiences in a nonjudgmental environment. I feel that as nurses we have a tremendous opportunity and responsibility to help our patients through their experiences. I did not take extra time talking to them but instead got this information as part of their visit as I provided them care. I have always felt blessed to be a nurse and always feel humbled at the opportunities I am given to help another soul on its journey back to the light!

Did we not learn in school that nursing is holistic including a patient's spiritual needs?

We did. The PATIENT'S spiritual needs. The nurse's spiritual needs wasn't a part of the curriculum. We also learned about ethics, the importance of boundaries and the principles of beneficence and non-maleficence.

OP herself said that she had a question "burning inside" her and that she has "a burning desire to know about the other world". That expresses a very strong desire to learn for the sake of personal growth and to me, it doesn't epitomize patient-centered holistic nursing. Frankly, it suggests to me that some self-reflection regarding motivation is necessary.

Just because you have different believes doesn't mean we should never discuss anything spiritual related for disagreements sake.

This isn't about BELIEFS. It's not about OP's beliefs, it's not about your beliefs and it's not about my beliefs. Nursing is about the PATIENT! It's not about the nurse.

Some of these arguements do not make since and are completely invalid to me.

What arguments specifically do you have in mind? What is your rationale for rejecting them?

Don't you think that a person who almost lost her life in a vicious, brutal attack could suffer from PTSD?

Don't you think that it is possible to inflict further harm on a human being who has experienced a traumatic event and/or suffers from PTSD?

Don't you think that a nurse taking the initiative to ask traumatized patients or code survivors if they had an out of body experience, could possibly EVER be met by anger or cause harm to the patient?

I am confused as to what exactly it is you regard as "completely invalid"...

Specializes in Pedi.
I have to speak up. Did we not learn in school that nursing is holistic including a patient's spiritual needs? Just because you have different believes doesn't mean we should never discuss anything spiritual related for disagreements sake. Some of these arguements do not make since and are completely invalid to me.

Yes, as in, the parent of the 32 week preemie wants their child baptized in the NICU, we help to arrange that. Not the 32 week pregnant woman comes in for a prenatal check, answers the screening question about domestic violence affirmatively and then we ask her if she's "seen the light".

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

It seems as though she sensed something in those patients and they were willing to share and mutual benefit was received. You can be an atheist or agnostic if you chose to, but that tells me you don't have that spiritual connection that believers do. If you don't believe in things that can't be seen then you can't speak on it. Yes one should be careful with PTSD as to not trigger flashbacks, but honestly if one never confides in someone about their PTSD events, they likely will never get over them. And that person isn't always ther therapist. Sometimes it's someone they connect with. She also did not openly seek information about the trauma; she only asked a simple question. The patient did the rest.

It seems as though she sensed something in those patients and they were willing to share and mutual benefit was received. You can be an atheist or agnostic if you chose to, but that tells me you don't have that spiritual connection that believers do. If you don't believe in things that can't be seen then you can't speak on it. Yes one should be careful with PTSD as to not trigger flashbacks, but honestly if one never confides in someone about their PTSD events, they likely will never get over them. And that person isn't always ther therapist. Sometimes it's someone they connect with. She also did not openly seek information about the trauma; she only asked a simple question. The patient did the rest.

I don't think she can rightly say that she ALWAYS, 100% of the time, knows when her patient is comfortable with talking about their NDE. It's selfish to think and assert that you can, when it could end up emotionally hurting that person. She might not have actively sought out information about the event that caused the NDE, but when you ask a person with a traumatic experience, "did you see the light," don't you think they're going to have a flashback? "Yes, I saw the light when I was being stabbed to death by my husband." Even if it's not verbalized, they're probably still remembering it. The OP wasn't asking if they saw the light to benefit the patient; she was asking to confirm her beliefs.

You sound offended by my questions and find it inappropriate . Where I work, my patients ask me about my family. I answer them briefly and deflect the questions back to their visit. Many of my patients are poor, have hard lives and have struggled. When I appreciated my 90 year old for being a courageous widow who took great care of her family, she sat taller in that wheelchair and beamed while her daughter smiled proudly at her. I celebrate little things and big achievements of my patients.I hesitated to write about this topic as I knew that would divide the camp to the believer/ nonbeliever /atheist group. My intention was to showcase what some of my patients experienced and to encourage discussion on end of life, NDE and the importance of giving their experience a listening ear and an open mind.

Bolding mine. I agree with the others here who have shared concerns about what you're doing. It seems to me, from reading over the thread that you are not offering "a listening ear and an open mind," but, rather, you are initiating the topic and eliciting disclosure, and you have a v. distinct point of view (bias) on the topic. Your "open mind" is open to the idea of people confirming your existing beliefs. I'm guessing your mind is not terribly open to embracing the ideas of the many people who would attempt to explain to you the various neurobiological theories about why people think they see light, or Jesus, or anything else, just prior to death.

I agree with others that you should not be probing for disclosures along these lines with individuals with histories of significant trauma if you are not trained and credentialed as some kind of mental health professional. You could easily do harm.

I do get the point of the people for this article and who are not for it too. I have read various articles from the OP and as per my understanding she has a really good spiritual sense (gift of Holy Spirit), not everyone has it.So, she is able to discern looking at he peace or the vibe that she is getting to ask that question. So many people are wanting to share their stories.

Specializes in ED, Tele, MedSurg, ADN, Outpatient, LTC, Peds.

I will clarify a few things. First and foremost I hear your concerns.I read every single comment, both for and against.

I am not a nurse that "dig"s into a topic just to learn for myself regardless of what the patient feels.

None of the patients exhibited signs and symptoms of PTSD. Rather there was joy, peace and happiness when they shared their experiences. Their face had a glow that was not of this world. None of their lives were perfect but their peace transcended their problems . When they talked about the Lord, they were amazed, humbled and joyful that they were able to see Him.This was what I wanted to share with you.

I have never asked a patient right after a code/ traumatic event if they have seen the light. This question is only asked if a discussion ensues about a code situation they faced, months and sometimes years after this event which was the case in all three patients.

For the sake of keeping the article short and to the point, I focused my writing on the questions about their experience and not on the entire conversation, I had especially with the patient and the ex boyfriend.I pray that nobody is that insensitive.

We are here in this temporary home on earth only for a short while. We can agree to disagree!

In terms of my sensing stuff, in all honesty, I did not sign up for it but it was given to me. I never use it for anything else but to help my patients.

You can take every comment I wrote and dissect it and come up with conclusions but they may not be necessarily the right one.My life was saved by Jesus and the fact that I am alive today is due to his grace alone. So when I hear patients say that they saw him, I'd like to hear more. It does not trigger a PTSD reaction, far from it! It triggers a sharing of love. That is why we are on this earth, to love one another as he loved us! Peace to all!

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

Spot angel, I hear you. We have all been through trials in this life, some worse than others. If we never speak on them we never heal. Sometimes counseling is useless in people with PTSD. Sometimes people only confide in people they trust. Sometimes people take that experience and become stronger. They find a light within themselves and use it to light the paths for others. My life has been full of pain and struggle. I don't focus on that. I focus on God and His will for me. I smile and am personable with people. They may think I have my life together when in reality some of the trials I am currently going through are some people's worst nightmare. Humans were made to be there for each other.

"My life was saved by Jesus and the fact that I am alive today is due to his grace alone. "

Two billion people are Christians. 5 billion are not. Individual research on NDE..based on individual belief is not only wrong, it is useless.

Might want to move this to the the spirituality forum .Personally, I am not buying that dying patients see Jesus Christ.

I have attended many dying patients. As they pass on, they focus beyond me... greet Uncle Joe.. or mom, or another relative. "Hi Uncle Joe". What are you doing here?

Firmly believe we are escorted over. But is not by a figure created by man made religion.

Specializes in ED, Tele, MedSurg, ADN, Outpatient, LTC, Peds.

"Firmly believe we are escorted over".

I agree 100%.Many a time it is a loved one(family or friend).Not all of them see the light/spiritual beings/Jesus or experience an NDE. There is a strong scientific interest in this in the medical field. As nurses we should be able to talk about and learn from patient experiences regardless of our personal beliefs or religious inclinations.

What I hear over and over again from patients is the fear of not being believed,validated or even worse ridiculed by docs and nurses.

Some links if anyone is interested in the ongoing scientific research on NDE.

Source:

(1) http://www.opensciences.org/files/pdfs/Manifesto-for-a-Post-Materialist-Science.pdf

(2) Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands - ScienceDirect

(3) The Institute for Afterlife Research - Dutch Study

(4) http://www.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572%2814%2900739-4/fulltext

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I will clarify a few things. First and foremost I hear your concerns.I read every single comment, both for and against.

I am not a nurse that "dig"s into a topic just to learn for myself regardless of what the patient feels.

None of the patients exhibited signs and symptoms of PTSD. Rather there was joy, peace and happiness when they shared their experiences. Their face had a glow that was not of this world. None of their lives were perfect but their peace transcended their problems . When they talked about the Lord, they were amazed, humbled and joyful that they were able to see Him.This was what I wanted to share with you.

I have never asked a patient right after a code/ traumatic event if they have seen the light. This question is only asked if a discussion ensues about a code situation they faced, months and sometimes years after this event which was the case in all three patients.

For the sake of keeping the article short and to the point, I focused my writing on the questions about their experience and not on the entire conversation, I had especially with the patient and the ex boyfriend.I pray that nobody is that insensitive.

We are here in this temporary home on earth only for a short while. We can agree to disagree!

In terms of my sensing stuff, in all honesty, I did not sign up for it but it was given to me. I never use it for anything else but to help my patients.

You can take every comment I wrote and dissect it and come up with conclusions but they may not be necessarily the right one.My life was saved by Jesus and the fact that I am alive today is due to his grace alone. So when I hear patients say that they saw him, I'd like to hear more. It does not trigger a PTSD reaction, far from it! It triggers a sharing of love. That is why we are on this earth, to love one another as he loved us! Peace to all!

It is very clear that OP has the excuse to bolster Christianity. I bet if she encountered a patient who said "My life has never been the same since my encounter with Krishna", she would not bother to post such an article.

This is just another tactic from Christians exploiting their patients' stories to proselytize. I now understand why Christians choose nursing. Preying on the weak to recruit for Jesus. This is so insidious.

I guess I will have to visit my parents more often when they end up in a nursing home. The last thing I want for my parents, who are Buddhists, is to be under care of a nurse like OP.