I admit that I don't get much about socialization at allnurses. What I see is usually advice, tips, stories about patients and how to better nursing care for them. Then there is arguments about religion and politics. I don't see much social interaction here. Maybe you can guide me to the correct board for that purpose.
I lived in this area of Oakland for about 4 years before my family moved to the current apartment. There was a Christian church a few blocks from my house. Its people stopped by my house every 2-3 weeks. They alternate with Mormons and Jehovah witnesses. If they didn't hand out pamphlets, there would be questions exactly like the ones we see in this board about Jesus, being saved, eternal damnation.
Then I encountered a Mexican Catholic apologetic, a non-denominational Christian from Fresno, a California native Presbyterian, a Greek Romanian Orthodox, and a Southern Baptist from Louisiana in college. It was not a rural area, but the school was secluded from surroundings.
At my former workplace in Castro Valley, I encountered some Russian Christians.
At my current job, I have two Christian colleagues who are wonderful people. Occasionally I encountered bible believing fundamentalists, a Hare Krishna, and two Muslims.
I don't deal with annoying Christians every day. However, unpleasant experience with them has cumulative effects on me. Especially after I read the whole Bible, I can be triggered fast by certain statements.
I have met two self professed Jews so far. They are very nice people. I don't have any problem with them. When I said the Torah, I was talking about 5 books of Moses. I said that my childhood experience seeing chicken's throat cut and bled to death makes me more resilient when I read commandments in the Torah that ordered execution against non Hebrews. I think even Jason Vorhee's killings cannot be compared.
You don't have to believe me. Just read Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus, you will understand.
From my understanding, Jews always rely on the Talmud to understand the Torah. Christians, in contrast, actually believed these commandments were from God, and it was completely justified to kill anyone who violated any Mosaic laws. They believed that was good and just. That's why I get chill and become more cautious when I am around those Christians.
I don't know what TMI means.
Yes, I do bash people, but these people are nurses who spread ideas that are dehumanizing. These people are not patients. I never get in an argument with patients. You have seen questions from nurses who are not sure what to do when patients ask them to pray with them. I never have that dilemma.
Let me give you one example. At one of my former jobs, I took care of this patient who met his daughter once a week. The other daughter barely contacted him, and the son almost never called him. He was a Christian, a serious one. There was a bus that took him to church every week. Since his daughter couldn't be with him when he was in church, he said to me my presence with him would comfort his soul greatly. He saw me like a kid of his. He knew that I didn't believe in Jesus, so he didn't push me. I wanted to give him my best, so it didn't take even 2 seconds to say yes. I went to church with him when I was not busy.
That is with patients. With nurses, it's a totally different story. Nurses are not my patients; they are healthcare professionals like I am. Hence, if they stop behaving like a professional, I will treat them exactly like that.
Beliefs are not worthy of respect. People are worthy of respect when they practice their beliefs for personal development. When they tell me I should believe like they do, they are not worthy of my respect, either.
I don't appreciate it when Christians, moderate or evangelical, constantly say to me "we are all born sinners." First of all, I am not a Christian. I don't belong to this "we" in their statement. Second of all, my culture was influenced by Buddhism and Confucianism, in which it is believed that people were born inherently good and that they have worth. I carry this value with me to this country. When Christians classify me under their religion, they dig their own grave because I have to defend myself.
If Christians say "I was born a sinner", they talk about themselves. When they say "We were born sinners," in a conversation with me, they include me under their religion, and I am entitled to smear them. It's fair game.
This happened to me in the past:
Colleague: Do you go to church?
Colleague: Do you want to go to church with me this Sunday?
Me: No, thank you.
Colleague: It will be fun, you know. You can receive God's blessing, too.
Me: I don't worship your god.
Colleague: But he loves you and cares about your soul.
Me: I don't need to be blessed by a deity who ordered his chosen people to execute every Canaanite, including children. I would have to sacrifice my humanity first before I receive his blessing. Receiving blessing from your god would make me a tyrant sympathizer. I have my dignity and my inner Buddha to lose here.
That shut him up for good. I no longer saw him after that incident. It was a relief.
What do you think? Am I justified for smearing him?
As you can see, when Christians make their religious statement, they almost always include "you", "we", "they". They include me and people who are not members of their faith in their faith-based statements. Thus, I feel like I have every right to smear them.
If you think I am too harsh on Christians, what is your advice if you were in my shoes dealing with people like that colleague of mine? Honestly, I want to know.
I never initiate any religious conversation with other nurses. The Christian in my example didn't talk like a street preacher, but he clearly didn't respect my boundary. I feel like I had to be firm with him by exclusively stating the reason I don't worship his god.
I don't know how to respond without smearing him. Maybe you can teach me how to respond tactfully.
I have my principle compromised for patients. I don't know if I can do the same with nurses.
I'm sorry. I'm not a Christian. That passage in Luke 6:39-45 doesn't apply to me. I feel totally fine judging people when they make statements about me using their religion. I am not a member of their faith, so I don't feel an obligation to be an object for them to talk about. When they want me to adhere to their faith, I am entitled to judge them. I don't mind them judging me back.
I say what I need to say. I simply response to whatever answer pointed at me. I don't intend to drag this topic forever.