I SAW HIM! - Near Death Experiences

Nurse seeing patients in the clinic on a usual day notes that unusually three patients back to back had Near Death Experiences. Coincidence? Nurses Spirituality Article

I scanned my list of patients for the day. Three unfamiliar names back to back in the morning; a prenatal visit, an INR (a patient on the blood thinner Coumadin) patient and a BP check patient. I knew the rest of the names on my schedule.

My first patient Pamela was 36 years old and 32 weeks pregnant. As I went through the prenatal questions, I watched the joy in her eyes and the peace on her face and felt my gut tighten. When she answered yes to the question of domestic and physical abuse in the past, I felt an inner prompting to ask the question burning inside me.

"Pam, have you seen the light?" I had this weird knack of sensing if a person had a NDE (Near Death Experience) in the past. I always saw serenity in them, no matter how bad of a situation they were going through physically, mentally or emotionally. The calmness always triggered my questions as I have a burning desire to know about the other world, our true home!

Pam smiled and softly replied, "Yes!"

"Would you mind sharing the experience with me?"

"Not at all!" She replied.

"So when did you see the light?"

"When I was being stabbed 44 times by my ex in front of our 4 year old daughter."

"What?!"

"Yes, it's true. He was always physically abusive to me."

"How did you survive?"

"My friend had called the cops. They were on the other side of the door, trying to get to me. I had to hold on as I was afraid he would kill my daughter once he killed me."

"So at what point did you see the light?"

"While he was stabbing me, I felt myself slip out of my body and travel in this beautiful light. I saw Him. Jesus! He told me not to worry. That everything will be all right. I then came back into my body."

"How did you get out of the apartment?"

"After he stabbed me 44 times, he opened the door for the cops and they arrested him. The cop had to step over my body to get my daughter."

I sat there stunned, listening. "Is your daughter ok?"

"Yes, she is better now but we both had to get help to recover."

"What about the ex? Where is he now?"

"He served time and is out and moved away."

"Do you worry about him?"

"No, I trust in the Lord. Like he is said everything is OK. I am married to another man who is very loving and I am happy with him."

"How do you use this experience?"

"I speak to others about my experience especially to my daughter's friends. They are 16 year olds and both my daughter and I speak to them especially if they have weird boyfriends that are controlling."

"What do you have to say to the world as a survivor?"

"Be there for others, whether you are a parent, friend, neighbor or acquaintance. I had no support system from family or friends when I was being abused except that one friend who saved my life. Don't be silent, but reach out and help."

I asked her permission to share her story and she said softly," By all means! If my story can save a life, my life is worthy of Him!"

I thanked her and had to center myself in my office for five minutes before I called in the second patient.

As he walked in, a young 35 year old called Mathew Joseph, my heart sank! "Another one Lord?" I mentally asked as I smiled and shook hands with him. As I checked his INR (Blood test) and reviewed his medical history, he answered calmly, the peace sitting strangely in direct opposition from all the medical issues he was having. He had three cardiac surgeries in the past and was on disability. So was his wife who had chronic back problems. He had an adult stepson and a 16 year old that was struggling academically and was in summer school. He matter of fact told me that every day was a struggle to live and sometimes he had to choose food over medicines. His INR was within range and we discussed his Coumadin dosing and follow up appointment and gave him a printed calendar with instructions, dosing and follow up appointment. Now that was out to the way, I turned to him and asked him,

"How do you manage all this? You seem so calm!"

He smiled and said, "Because I live in faith."

"You have seen the light, haven't you?"

"Yes! How do you know though? No one has asked me before."

"I am not sure but I see the peace on your face and felt it. Can you tell me how?"

"My first surgery. During the operation, I saw myself leaving my body and going to the light. I saw him, Jesus! He told me that my purpose in life was not over and I had to come back to earth. I didn't want to but I came back like he wanted me to. They told me that they had to do CPR in the table."

"How did you feel Mathew?" His eyes shone with tears of joy!

"Happy! I did not want to leave him. He is beautiful, so full of love"

"Have you ever read Embraced by the light by Betty J Eadie? That book changed my life and gave me a better understanding of life and death."

"No, can you write it down for me?"

"Sure", I wrote in on a yellow sticky and gave it to him. He looked anxiously at the paper and something tipped me.

"Do you have difficulty reading?" I asked him calmly.

"Yes! I read but cannot comprehend or sound it out although; I understand it kind of in my head. I grabbed another sticky and wrote a number for the college of optometry in my city that gave children and adults with reading comprehension issues vision therapy that dramatically helped them improve. I should know, as my oldest went through vision therapy and is a third year student in college now and my youngest is presently getting vision therapy and is "graduating" next week as per her optometrist. Mathew was very happy and grateful. I realized that hardships in my life were to be used to better his life. We need to share our knowledge to help one another and better each other's life.

We briefly discussed the great spiritual battle for souls between good and evil that is happening in the unseen spirit world. He shared with me that he had seen evil, take shape by his bedside in the form of a handsome "doctor" who wagged his fingers at him and told him that he would die and not make it through operation #2.

"How did you know that he was evil, Mathew? "I asked curiously.

"His eyes had so much hatred for me and I sensed something bad around him."

"Well? How did you respond?"

"I told him that I was ok with dying as I was going to Christ and I was happy about that" he smiled.

"Then what happened?"

"He disappeared on me, just like that! Poof! My wife was entering the room and did not even see him."

"Do you tell her?"

"Yes! She had a hard time believing me but that's ok! I just don't understand one thing. What is my purpose in life?"

"That is a tough one Mathew but I think our purpose in life is to be the best version of ourselves daily and love one another like He loved us."

"That's it?"

"Yup! You don't have to be a saint or sinner, rich, poor, talented or not, just put in the effort daily, be kind to each other and appreciate life daily. Sometimes when you are in a hospital/clinic/medical setting you might meet someone whom your stories inspire. This is what you are made for. There may or may not be an 'aha' moment".

"So do your best daily?"

"Yes! Mathew! Let your life be an example for others. Practice what you preach as actions are louder than words!"

He left happy. I needed another five minutes breather in my office to recover as I mulled over our conversation. This was turning out to be a strange day---! I called in my third patient. A ninety year old called Eva Garcia for a BP check! Even though she was frail, she had a mischievous glint in her eyes and a ready smile. Her daughter Ava wheeled her in! This had to be a cosmic joke, I thought! Another one that has seen the light! What are the odds?! Maybe, I am meant to write about their experiences, I thought---.

The visit was straight forward. Her BP was better than mine. We discussed diet, meds, monitoring BP at home and any concerns. As I wrapped up the visit with questions about her support system, I learned that she had lost her husband when she was in her early 20's, never remarried and took care of 4 children, the youngest Ava was 7.

"You were young Senorita Eva. Did you not want to marry?"

"No! I was not comfortable as I had 2 daughters and did not want to bring a strange man into the house."

"Wow! How did you manage?"

"Times were hard but I did. We were poor but happy. All my kids are settled. Ava is a retired teacher now!"

"You should be proud. Did you miss your husband?"

"Yes but he wanted to take me to the light"

This was my opening---! "What do you mean Senorita? Did you have a near death experience?"

"No! Never, but I dreamed him after the funeral."

"You did? What did you see?"

"He was in the light calling me to come to him. I told him no, the children were too small and I had to take care of them."

"Did it give you strength to go on?"

"Yes, and everything turned out ok. I am happy." I thanked her and Ava wheeled her out.

I had asked all of them if I could share their stories and they were happy about it and gave me permission to share this with all of you readers. I noticed that they were happy to be asked and share their experiences with me. They did not fear death but lived each day to the fullest doing their best. There was a calmness and peace about them as they had seen the other side and did not fear it.

I felt privileged to hear their stories and I am sure many more patients, visitors and family members have experiences like this to share. I make it a point to ask code survivors that are awake if they had any out of the body experiences that they remembered. It is an opportunity for them to relive their experiences in a nonjudgmental environment. I feel that as nurses we have a tremendous opportunity and responsibility to help our patients through their experiences. I did not take extra time talking to them but instead got this information as part of their visit as I provided them care. I have always felt blessed to be a nurse and always feel humbled at the opportunities I am given to help another soul on its journey back to the light!

Specializes in Pedi.
@macawake

Yeah, this whole article seems pretty messed up to me... When I first started reading it, I thought maybe it was fake, like a fable. The story is told to express an idea. But realizing that she was actually suddenly asking patients about near-death experiences was very unsettling.. And the worst part was the woman who described her getting stabbed 44 TIMES, and fearing the same thing for her DAUGHTER, and then OP asks "did you see the light" nonchalantly, like ignoring that horrible incident to satisfy her own desires to confirm an afterlife. It's kind of sickening...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way reading this. I would be so offended if a nurse or any healthcare professional ever asked me if I "saw the light" during any of my past medical crises. More so if it was when recalling a story about abuse. "Oh your husband stabbed you 44 times? But did you see Jesus?" And a 90 year old comes in for a blood pressure check and you have to ask very personal questions like why did she never remarry after her husband died when they were very young? Totally inappropriate.

Specializes in ED, Tele, MedSurg, ADN, Outpatient, LTC, Peds.

You sound offended by my questions and find it inappropriate . Where I work, my patients ask me about my family. I answer them briefly and deflect the questions back to their visit. Many of my patients are poor, have hard lives and have struggled. When I appreciated my 90 year old for being a courageous widow who took great care of her family, she sat taller in that wheelchair and beamed while her daughter smiled proudly at her. I celebrate little things and big achievements of my patients.I hesitated to write about this topic as I knew that would divide the camp to the believer/ nonbeliever /atheist group. My intention was to showcase what some of my patients experienced and to encourage discussion on end of life, NDE and the importance of giving their experience a listening ear and an open mind.

You sound offended by my questions and find it inappropriate . Where I work, my patients ask me about my family. I answer them briefly and deflect the questions back to their visit. Many of my patients are poor, have hard lives and have struggled. When I appreciated my 90 year old for being a courageous widow who took great care of her family, she sat taller in that wheelchair and beamed while her daughter smiled proudly at her. I celebrate little things and big achievements of my patients.I hesitated to write about this topic as I knew that would divide the camp to the believer/ nonbeliever /atheist group. My intention was to showcase what some of my patients experienced and to encourage discussion on end of life, NDE and the importance of giving their experience a listening ear and an open mind.

I actually don't believe that the root of the issue here is religion. For instance, I'm an atheist--yet I ask every single one of my patients if they're religious or have religious needs that I can help them meet. If religion helps my patient heal, I'm game. I can't speak for everyone, but I believe that most here who take issue with this are taking issue with the psychological aspect of this. You are essentially trying to act as a therapist without a license to practice as a therapist, and you're asking questions that may give rise to very serious psychological issues/harm in vulnerable patients. You may have this conversation go well with a thousand patients, but it only takes one patient to make this practice a bad one.

To clarify, I do not believe you have malicious intent. I do understand that sometimes, our writing doesn't come across exactly right, and I do think that you're trying to have therapeutic discussions with your patients. It is simply my opinion that these conversations you're having have the capacity to cause unintentional harm. It's my opinion though--and I'm new at this, so take it with a grain of salt.

Specializes in ED, Tele, MedSurg, ADN, Outpatient, LTC, Peds.

All opinions appreciated. I see your concern. Thanks.

You sound offended by my questions and find it inappropriate .

All opinions appreciated. I see your concern. Thanks.

Hmm.. These are very "nursey" responses. Okay.. so you see her concern, but do you agree that her concern is a valid one?

I hesitated to write about this topic as I knew that would divide the camp to the believer/ nonbeliever /atheist group.

I don't think it's accurate to characterize our different viewpoints as being solely, or even primarily, rooted in believer vs. nonbeliever. To me this is a question of potential psychological harm to the patient, boundaries and ethics.

I actually don't believe that the root of the issue here is religion.

I can't speak for everyone, but I believe that most here who take issue with this are taking issue with the psychological aspect of this. You are essentially trying to act as a therapist without a license to practice as a therapist, and you're asking questions that may give rise to very serious psychological issues/harm in vulnerable patients.

It is simply my opinion that these conversations you're having have the capacity to cause unintentional harm. It's my opinion though--and I'm new at this, so take it with a grain of salt.

Purple_roses, you may be a new nurse, but you're not new at being a human being. I think your instincts are sound and your analysis is 100% accurate.

It took me years to get to this level of comfort. I totally get it that others are not comfortable with this line of questions.

The reason why I don't initiate discussions about near death experiences with my patients isn't because I'm not comfortable in doing so, it's because I don't think it's appropriate. This is in my opinion something the patient needs to bring up.

While I might ask an open question like "is there something on your mind/something you wish to share/something weighing on your mind that you feel I as your nurse should be aware of/can help you with", I would never ask "if they've seen the light" unless they specifically bring that up. I will often help patients by contacting the proper support mechanisms that we have available after traumatic incidents, such as therapists and clergy (after asking the patient if that is what they want of course). Having survived a code is a traumatic experience of quite significant proportions and it can set off many existential issues and psychological reactions, including PTSD.

I make it a point to ask code survivors that are awake if they had any out of the body experiences that they remembered.

I will not deny that I am interested in the subject of NDE but I move at the patient's pace and only if she shows interest or says something to that effect.

I don't ask every single pt but only the ones I sense have had NDE.

These three statements aren't consistent, they somewhat contradict each other. I'm going to be blunt, given my previous career, I feel a certain amount of scepticism regarding narratives that change/evolve. Your first statement said you make it a point to ask (awake) code survivors if they had any out of body experiences. The second and third statements/quotes seem to temper/modify the first by saying that the patient has to show interest first, before you ask. Which is the correct version?

Let's for a minute pretend that you were planning to conduct official research. Your proposed study design would aim to ask participants if they had any out of body experiences during their code. The inclusion criteria are: 1) code survivor 2) awake. Do you think your study would get the necessary ethical green light? This is a reasonable hypothetical litmus test to apply if you wish to figure out if what you're doing is ethically defensible.

I can honestly say that I never had people be uncomfortable when we discussed NDE . Instead they were surprised and like, 'How did you guess?".

That's all well and good, but are you prepared to deal with a potential negative reaction to your question should one occur the next time you ask one of your patients about this? Do you have a strategy in place?

I had asked all of them if I could share their stories and they were happy about it and gave me permission to share this with all of you readers.

The funny thing is that today, I met my 90 yr old again and she and her daughter were thrilled when I told them about the article and promised to check it out!

I mentioned boundaries earlier. This last quote troubles me.

When you invited your patient and their family member to this thread, expressing my opinions became an ethical dilemma for me. I'm sure you can figure out why.

I've thought about this and despite (or perhaps because of) the scenario your actions have created, I do feel that I have a right, perhaps even an obligation, to point out to you that I don't think what you're doing is advisable. Please believe me when I say this, my concern doesn't have anything to do with religious faith or lack thereof.

While you have acknowledged that some of us have concerns, do you think they are legitimate? I'm not getting the feeling that you think you need to modify your approach. Is my read on the situation correct?

Spotangel thank you for sharing! I was deeply encouraged by your post. You discerned a sense of peace beyond this world in your patients! Our God is so good for enabling you to notice this in people! You had quite the day as many as three and it's a good reminder for us still living that there is more to just this life and it is so much better. It's understandable for AN members to disagree about this. However It it seems that no harm was done to these patients psychologically and with respect you asked for their permission to share their experiences. Whether or not people want to hear about this now we will all face Jesus at some point.

I just graduated with a BSN in Canada and I have been taught that all of my clinical interactions need to be patient/client focused. The way I perceive this situation is that the patient/client's experience validated something clinically unimportant for the healthcare professional, which made me feel uncomfortable and one day a patient/client may be offended by the line of questioning. In the future, do not forget that therapeutic communication works best when the patient/client is encouraged to say as much or as little about what brought them to the healthcare facility. Using "that must have been very difficult for you" or "can you tell me more about how that made you feel" is the safest approach to tough situations.

I have so many issues with this. The risk of doing harm by triggering a PTSD event foremost. I am guessing you are not a trained psychologist/ counselor etc. Second you invited the patient and family to view this story of yours on social media. You violated HIPAA and probably your hospital's policies about social media. I doubt the facility you were working at has a signed HIPAA release for this info and an authorization for you to share it publicly. You seem to be pursuing your own learning and advancement of your beliefs rather than acting as an advocate for your patients and their best interests. The fact that you personally believe you have some God given supernatural ability to sense if people had NDE's and have a right to ask and tell the patient directly that they had one is makes me think you are the one who needs to seek mental health services.

Thank you, macawake, for breaking it down so logically. I have been a part of several codes and I can't imagine any part of our team thinking to ask such a thing. Who has time between the charting, the meds, making sure the pt doesn't code again?! I mean, honestly it makes OP sound like they need to get their head back in the game.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.

Wow. I'm just really at a loss of words. As many others have stated, I feel this is beyond inappropriate for so many reasons - none of which have to do with "believers/non believers/atheists." Just wow.

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

I have to speak up. Did we not learn in school that nursing is holistic including a patient's spiritual needs? Just because you have different believes doesn't mean we should never discuss anything spiritual related for disagreements sake. Some of these arguements do not make since and are completely invalid to me.

I have to speak up. Did we not learn in school that nursing is holistic including a patient's spiritual needs? Just because you have different believes doesn't mean we should never discuss anything spiritual related for disagreements sake. Some of these arguements do not make since and are completely invalid to me.

There is a difference between accommodating a patient's spiritual needs and actively digging for information about a traumatic event. As I've said earlier, my argument has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with point-blank asking a patient to relive and share a horrible life event.