(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
That article is almost exactly a month old. At that time, it was considered "experimental." No longer. It states:
There were no concerning safety issues with vaccination. Local reactions to the vaccine were generally mild. About half the participants receiving mRNA-1273 experienced moderate to severe side effects—such as fatigue, muscle aches, joint pain and headache—after the second dose. In most volunteers, these resolved within two days.
One potential concern about COVID-19 vaccines is an unusual phenomenon called vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease, or VAERD. VAERD can occur when a vaccine induces an immune response that causes the disease the vaccine is supposed to protect against to be more severe if you’re exposed to the virus. However, the team found no evidence of VAERD among those who received mRNA-1273.
“There is much we still do not know about SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19. However, we do know that this vaccine is safe and can prevent symptomatic COVID-19 and severe disease,” says NIAID Director Dr. Anthony S. Fauci. “It is my hope that all Americans will protect themselves by getting vaccinated when the vaccine becomes available to them. That is how our country will begin to heal and move forward.”
The FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization(link is external) for Moderna to make the vaccine available for the prevention of COVID-19 in adults on December 18, 2020.
Although mRNA-1273 can prevent symptomatic COVID-19, more study is needed to determine whether it protects against SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Additional analyses are also underway to understand the vaccine’s impact on asymptomatic infections.
I know the point of the article is that the investigational vaccines appear to be promising so I don’t need to you to remind me. I posted it to show you the numerous times the verbage such as investigational and expiremental. You actually think because it has been one month since this particular article came out that now the vaccinations are no longer investigational? Wow...
These are still experimental and investigational vaccinations. They are only approved through emergency use authorizations they are not even fda approved. All of this per educational pamphlet you get when you receive the vaccine.
Stop judging people for not wanting to partake in
*****NEW INVESTIGATIONAL MEDICAL TREATMENTS********
even though so far evidence looks promising.
If you keep looking around the vaccines are continually still called investigational and experimental in numerous accredited publications and educational pamphlets you receive when you get when you receive the vaccines.
Sorry that this particular one was from one month ago ... all of the sudden it’s not investigational from one whole month later!? Give me a break! ????
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True as far as it goes, granted. If you are enrolled in a clinical trial, I.e., an investigational study, you have to consent to that, and you are free to decline. You or any competent person can also decline any part of a medical plan of care, a nursing plan of care, or any other professional plan of care for that matter, no matter what the data indicate.
You will note that that the vaccines released to public use are no longer classified as investigational. Do not conflate "we'll be doing continued data collection" with "we have not yet determined it to be safe or effective for public release." Yes, a two-month-old determination (December to now) is acceptable practice. When the decision is made, it's made. If it had been made yesterday, that would count today. Investigational is investigational; determined to be useful and released, there we are.
We already know what happens when some people tout "therapeutics" that have not been studied adequately. As the data come in, people who purchased boatloads of "the hydroxy" or others learn that it's not effective. (Oklahoma, I'm looking at you....) Not so with the extensive trials of the present released vaccines.
OK, WOW! Just found out where all the traffic went. 41 pages! If I go back through and find out it's just been ten of you arguing with each other for 41 pages I will dump this group and never look back.
I don't blame people for not wanting to get vaccines, but being a nurse in the high mortality group, I quit a job I loved 7 months ago and have been hanging out in isolation (relatively speaking) waiting for a vaccine ever since. I've spent a lot of that time studying the crisis at hand and have enjoyed the education. What I haven't enjoyed is the humongous amount of ignorant bull**** being argued as fact.
A shortage of verifiable peer reviewed information , long term effects of infection, social political and economic consequences, and so on are understandable given the relatively short duration of our experience with this novel virus. Given the seriousness of our predicament, deliberate propagation of bad information verges on criminal behavior.
I got my first dose 10 days ago and am waiting on my second and am doing what I can to get back to work, responsibly.
First post on allnurses I see ? no need to put the word vaccines in quotation marks. Care to explain how you don’t have the right to weigh and choose your own risk?
Well, Aries blames the "tyranny of the employer" as a reason. I don't knownif that is the most important reason. Tyranny is as valid as any other reason:)
So in all honesty, I think a lot of nurses and healthcare workers are leery of the vaccine......at this point. It has a lot of uncertainties and concerns with it being one of the fastest potentially approved vaccines, lack of a track record with safety profiles, and also the lack of accuracy (one day there are claims it will last for a year or more and the next day this changes....same with side effects). I am not against it at all, but would like more proof and more evidence behind it first.
And then there are the mutations...."sure it will work....we think"
On another thread you said this regarding your hospital admissions in December 2020
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But here we are. Literally no fever no SOB not on oxygen not receiving treatment for anything else, literal walkie talkie patients... none of my coworkers understand and we all just assume money must somehow be involved because it makes no sense.
I just think you are here to rile us up. Many posts are not grounded in true science nor reality. Your take?
On another thread you said this regarding your hospital admissions in December 2020
I just think you are here to rile us up. Many posts are not grounded in true science nor reality. Your take?
You must not actually work directly with acute covid patients and just read the news? Tell me I’m wrong. I actually found out and began to understand after this post that some of my patients who were asymptomatic at the point of my care were staying to finish their 5 day completion of IV remdezivir. And some were just being monitored for being considered high risk. However when you are extremely short staffed it can be difficult to understand but I believe doctors are doing their best to make difficult medical choices amid a staffing crisis and new virus with ever changing protocols treatments and recommendations.
You and a handful of others rile ME up for being so incredibly disrespectful of those of us on the frontlines and our personal medical decisions regarding investigational medical treatments. Sickening that you think you know it all. Have some tolerance and humility.
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I guess what I don't understand with not wanting the vaccine, is that even though many people are likely to recover from COVID we are learning almost every day new things that the virus can cause long term. We may not know for decades the full effect that COVID may have on us, and it's very possible that there will be long term consequences from even mild infections. Look at HIV for instance, 10 years you're fine and if not treated bam you go into full blown AIDS and die within a year, that's what scares me about COVID.
Keeping that in mind, the long term effects of the COVID vaccine seems much lower risk. Vaccines in general carry a pretty low level of risk, sure there's no 100% guarantee, but that's true with all treatments.
I know some of my co-workers are more frightened of the vaccine than they are the disease and it baffles me because at my facility we have had an astounding amount of fatalities related to COVID so seeing that first hand how can you not want to prevent that if you could?
I guess what I don't understand with not wanting the vaccine, is that even though many people are likely to recover from COVID we are learning almost every day new things that the virus can cause long term. We may not know for decades the full effect that COVID may have on us, and it's very possible that there will be long term consequences from even mild infections. Look at HIV for instance, 10 years you're fine and if not treated bam you go into full blown AIDS and die within a year, that's what scares me about COVID.
Keeping that in mind, the long term effects of the COVID vaccine seems much lower risk. Vaccines in general carry a pretty low level of risk, sure there's no 100% guarantee, but that's true with all treatments.
I know some of my co-workers are more frightened of the vaccine than they are the disease and it baffles me because at my facility we have had an astounding amount of fatalities related to COVID so seeing that first hand how can you not want to prevent that if you could?
This is a great point, and I believe this is primarily why so many people are absolutely fine with taking a new investigational medical treatment without hesitation. However, for those who have been infected with covid with no side effects or for those who have worked around covid and never gotten infected it can diminish the fear of the virus. I don’t want to get sick or get anyone else sick and believe I can prevent that with social distancing, hand washing, PPE, staying at home etc. in the meantime until I can see for myself how this vaccine is affecting people down the line with re exposure to covid (ADE?) pregnancy and fertility etc.
“If someone reaches a conclusion NOT based on logic or reason, logic and reason are not going to talk them out of it”.
-Paul Offit, the great vaccine expert and advocate. (Quote borrowed from Niel Degrass Tyson)
is the earth round?
Nope! Show me the data!
Look at this image of the earth! It’s literally round! Its the clearest data because you can “see” it with your own eyes!
Nope! I need more data!
What is clearer than this?
I don't know, its just not good data!
OK, Here is 1000 scientific works giving you the complex science and mathematical data showing the earth is round.
Well There should be at peast 1,200 science articles for it to be convincing to me
grr...OK...here are 200 more articles...
(After shuffling thru a few titles...) OK nope. This data is just not convincing for me.
A healthy skeptic can change their views given new information. There is NO amount of science that will convince certain types of thinkers.
This is a really silly comparison. Something simple and easily observable like a shape vs a complex new medical treatment. I guess if you wanted to use this to compare to anti vaxxers in general...people who don’t want to take vaccines that have been around for decades... but you actually think a new complex investigational medical treatment that the best scientists only struggled with for over a decade prior to this “light speed approval” has no need for more data? A treatment that was only released to the general public 2 months ago...only under emergency authorization use... and that if you don’t feel comfortable taking it you are overly skeptical to the point where you don’t believe the earth is even round? You don’t agree that there is not enough real life (not laboratory) data on how it affects fertility, pregnancy and ADE effects? You don’t believe that kind of data is important? I guess you can argue that some people are so overly trusting that they need no real world data , just a stamp of approval from authorities they’ll take anything.
There is NO amount of science that will convince certain types of thinkers.
Right. It involves talking it through. There have been some interesting papers, shows, podcasts on how to talk through the thinking of someone against vaccines. I think you're right, you won't be able to convince them with the data or the science.
2 hours ago, ohbejoyful said:
the best scientists only struggled with for over a decade prior to this “light speed approval” has no need for more data? A treatment that was only released to the general public 2 months ago...only under emergency authorization use.
(Sorry to be repeating myself here.)
The mRNA platform has been developed for over a decade with the vaxes against dengue, the CMV, and a couple of others. This is not new technology.
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I know the point of the article is that the investigational vaccines appear to be promising so I don’t need to you to remind me. I posted it to show you the numerous times the verbage such as investigational and expiremental. You actually think because it has been one month since this particular article came out that now the vaccinations are no longer investigational? Wow...
These are still experimental and investigational vaccinations. They are only approved through emergency use authorizations they are not even fda approved. All of this per educational pamphlet you get when you receive the vaccine.
Stop judging people for not wanting to partake in
*****NEW INVESTIGATIONAL MEDICAL TREATMENTS********
even though so far evidence looks promising.
If you keep looking around the vaccines are continually still called investigational and experimental in numerous accredited publications and educational pamphlets you receive when you get when you receive the vaccines.
Sorry that this particular one was from one month ago ... all of the sudden it’s not investigational from one whole month later!? Give me a break! ????