(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
To quote a meme I saw recently, I would take this vaccine in my eyeball right now. I'm scheduled to get it tomorrow morning, luckily only in my arm ? I'm currently breastfeeding and tried to get into a clinical trial for breastfeeding moms who get the vaccine that studies the effect of the vaccine exposure on your milk, but it's already full of participants, which is encouraging. I feel confident in the vaccine and the process that went into developing it and emergently approving it for use, while also knowing there are risks to everything in life. I hope 2021 will see dramatic drops in case and death rates, and perhaps 2022 will be as "back to normal" as we can hope to be after living through this hell.
That is encouraging. Your whole post was, thank God!
I have been a dedicated, Patient Focused Nurse for 22years. There is legitimate concerns concerning vaccination by such a novel mRNA drug. I share your concerns, and there are many of us who do. I follow the Science. Been on Pfiezers and Modernas web sites. I only read Lancet, NEJM and many other reputable materials over the years, and can tell you ,this past year they have become extremely Biass. Follow the money.
Nanotechnolgy , transfection and hydrogels may be fine for cutting edge research and frontier cures for Cancer and other poor prognostic diseases and terminal illnesses, but I do not see the necessity for routine vaccinations. I too work with Covid Patients and seen my fair share of it's heartbreaking effects on the moderate to severely compromised Patient. That was early on in the Pandemic. The Sars Cov 2 has a 99.8 percent surrival rate for people's under 70. I don't see the logic there. What I do see alot of is abstainng Patients of much needed care , inhumane isolation , and endless fear perpetrated on the public. Neither of these vaccines has ever been tested in the frail elderly, one of the targeted populations. I will not get vaccinated with these vaccines , nor will I participate in the vaccination of the aforementioned population.
I believe that the thesis is that the "mRNA" provides broad based protection against a broad array of Covid-19. It would take a rather significant mutation to affect immune response. Also, there is something called "the theory of virulence" which this article addresses https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/will-coronavirus-evolve-be-less-deadly-180976288/ . In essence it addresses the fact that "in general" viruses face a trade off between ease of transmission and ability to "kill". Incapacitate and kill too quickly and a virus (think Ebola Zaire) doesn't tend to spread to pandemic levels because the host dies (or becomes so sick/feeble) that he/she cannot effectively transmit the virus. Thus, strains that transmit more easily should in theory become less deadly. To the extent that I have concerns about the Covid vaccines (or any vaccine) it is that they modify our innate immune response in such a way as to increase autoimmune response in such a fashion as to attenuate immune response to things like cancer or perhaps contribute to an increase in something like MS and other auto immune conditions. Also, I am concerned about issues of fundamental liberty (the right to refuse a vaccine or right to be left alone) and potential issues emanating from the use of aborted fetal cells with some vaccines either in their research or production. However, at least with regard to the issue of "all cause mortality" there have been attempts to address these issues. For example when it comes to the influenza vaccine it appears to significantly reduce the risk of death from things like cardiovascular (and other) causes https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32683040/ . Whether or not this trend would apply to mRNA vaccines remains to be seen.
As for the "church" issue some states outlawed the free assembly guaranteed in the First Amendment for Church Services while at the same time allowing gatherings for things like BLM. I believe that states like Wyoming might be less likely (even than Florida) to do this As for so called "assault weapons" many (perhaps millions) of my brothers and sisters will only give them up if in the words of Charlton Heston when they are pried from our "cold dead hands" If that is likely to happen I believe that on a plethora of issues ranging from mandatory covid vaccination to many others that states like Wyoming (perhaps Texas as well) might offer the best chance to avoid that fate. There are states that may choose to "nullify" or at least ignore federal law to one extent or another in the same way some states have done so with THC laws. Also some states have constitutional exceptions written in to there state constitutions that exceed those of the federal government. Traditionally, there has been a higher burden to interfere with a state when "state" constitutional protections are involved (it traditionally has had to rise to the level of a fundamental right at the federal level to do this as with civil rights protections). As for whether or not I will take the vaccine if persuaded by science. Maybe, but never because it is required In the words of Benjamin Franklin "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."
I KNOW that BLM marches fit the criteria for the "assembly" in the constitution but I'm not sure that the legal definition of assembly applies to churches. The Supreme court has probably already come up with a convenient definition but don't know that for a fact. BLM marches aren't superspreaders (outdoors, rest of the cities stayed at home), but churches can be. This is comparing apples to oranges. One does not have to march to express their indignation against officers who haven't been culled from their jobs, One does not have to go to church to honor God. I think He would be quite annoyed with your point of view. You seem to believe that you are free to do any kind of whoopie in the name of liberty. I don't think you will be happy until you live on Martian ice where no other life exists because once you choose to live in society, there are some compromises to make. We do not have any circumscribed rights to spread a highly contagious disease known to kill people. I guess those people just don't count for you.
I can't imagine how "forced" Covid vaccination would work. Wouldn't that be battery? You'll never convince a conspiracy theorist to ever take any vaccine at any time. If months pass and complication rates turn out to be low, people may want to take it. But, there is the fact that so many people refuse to even take a flu vaccine. It's an extremely complicated issue for my simple mind. Maybe "they" should declare one of the states with declining population as a Freedom from Vaccine state and all anti-vaxxers could go there leaving the rest of us in a better position (probably). There are plenty of states with declining populations so it shouldn't be too difficult:)
I KNOW that BLM marches fit the criteria for the "assembly" in the constitution but I'm not sure that the legal definition of assembly applies to churches. The Supreme court has probably already come up with a convenient definition but don't know that for a fact. BLM marches aren't superspreaders (outdoors, rest of the cities stayed at home), but churches can be. This is comparing apples to oranges. One does not have to march to express their indignation against officers who haven't been culled from their jobs, One does not have to go to church to honor God. I think He would be quite annoyed with your point of view. You seem to believe that you are free to do any kind of whoopie in the name of liberty. I don't think you will be happy until you live on Martian ice where no other life exists because once you choose to live in society, there are some compromises to make. We do not have any circumscribed rights to spread a highly contagious disease known to kill people. I guess those people just don't count for you.
I can't imagine how "forced" Covid vaccination would work. Wouldn't that be battery? You'll never convince a conspiracy theorist to ever take any vaccine at any time. If months pass and complication rates turn out to be low, people may want to take it. But, there is the fact that so many people refuse to even take a flu vaccine. It's an extremely complicated issue for my simple mind. Maybe "they" should declare one of the states with declining population as a Freedom from Vaccine state and all anti-vaxxers could go there leaving the rest of us in a better position (probably). There are plenty of states with declining populations so it shouldn't be too difficult:)
To me it is pretty simple:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Meaning, they tell the staff person it’s a fetal demise and it’s really an elective termination of a healthy baby.
Oh, another conspiracy theory... so many people have to be involved from the permit signing to the pathologist...does anyone get tired of those individuals (besides me) for using these devices to fabricate rationales?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Oh, I have no doubt that the health arena will be treated differently and will eventually be forced to take the vaccine. But I don't believe that it will become mandatory for non-health personnel. It might not be pleasant for the person who refuses it (will they become shunned?) and there may be societal expectations that everyone take the vaccine but there are going to be people who still refuse. Do you think they will be pinned down ? What happens to these folks and there are a lot of them out there. Perhaps enough to interfere with herd immunity in some locations and that is a real nightmare.
As to how the constitution is to be interpreted is up to debate. Is is a living document or not? Were the writers supposed to allow for ANYTHING that they couldn't imagine. A literal translation is about as helpful as a literal translation of the old testament - Kill the naughty children, don't kill the naughty children? What is a righteous person supposed to do? But people were arrested and jailed for deliberately infecting others with AIDS. I don't see the difference here except that you are using God's name and a questionable interpretation of the Constitution to do the spreading
kdkout, BSN, RN
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That is encouraging. Your whole post was, thank God!