I am male student who was studying nursing in Europe, I quit and i really feel very bad at the moment because i really enjoy helping people.
Why I quit? It was really difficult for me to adapt to a women enviorment in general. I know a lot of men who can feel very comfortable in a women dominated enviornment, not my case. I really try very hard to connect with the people in the unit but it was impossible. I dont have nothing in common with them.
Another thing why I quit was because everybody was treating me like shirt, some patients, doctors and even coworkers, no respect at all.
People are saying that the stereotype is disappearing and it doesnt exist anymore, in my opinion that is not true, what i percieve is that there is still an stereotype for men in nursing, is fading yes but slowly.
I felt that if I continued nursing I was going to feel bad in the future because in my country there is no carreer progression in nursing or very little carreer progression, you can expect a salary of 1.500-2000 Euro each month for the rest of your life that´s it.
Now I have to redirect my carreer to something else, i am coming back to computers maybe that is my niche. I will try to help people in another way maybe with robots and computers i can create something for people in need.
You're not just sexist, you're misogynist. Your assumption that working with women is "constant gossip" is erroneous, especially if you maintain that men don't gossip. Men DO gossip, and they to be just as gossipy as women, if not more so. (I'm judging that based on the male nurse that I married and the male nurses with whom I work.) Half of our staff (give or take 1-2 orientees) is male.
You're not at work -- or clinical, for that matter -- to "express myself like I really am" or to be comfortable. You're there to work and learn. Most of us are better off NOT expressing ourselves as we really are -- especially us introverts. We have to work hard to be friendly and social.
You CAN choose the place where you work in the future, but as a nurse, probably will not be able to choose to work with all men.
What I see in the US is that men in the profession are treated better in many situations, including nursing school, and statistically they are frequently paid more than their female counterparts.
Men, on average, earn more than women because they work in higher paying jobs. They CHOOSE higher paying jobs, work more hours, and take less time off than women. That is the reality. However, men and women with the same amount of experience, working the same hours, in the same job are paid equally. It is illegal to pay women less than men for the same job (Equal Pay Act of 1963).
Nursing to me is no longer a 'female' field. Nurses do a lot of things that are traditionally male. Nurses are more 'tech-ie'. At my job there is no second thought of a 'male' nurse. It's just second nature.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Men, on average, earn more than women because they work in higher paying jobs. They CHOOSE higher paying jobs, work more hours, and take less time off than women. That is the reality. However, men and women with the same amount of experience, working the same hours, in the same job are paid equally. It is illegal to pay women less than men for the same job (Equal Pay Act of 1963).
Bull shirt!
I've been married to two nurses. In both cases, I had more nursing experience, more experience in the field and my HOURLY rate was less than theirs. In one case, he was a new grad in his first job and he got a very big increase after one year "because he has a family to support." Thereafter, pay raises were granted as a percentage of your basic rate, so his 2% raise was bigger than my 2% raise, etc. When he polled the other male nurses in the unit, all of them got the big "merit raise" after one year that NONE of the female nurses got. That was in 1982.
In 2004, my now husband and I moved across country and started new jobs in the same unit on the same day. I had five years more nursing experience, five more years experience in the specialty, a BSN, a graduate degree, had been published in the field and had led a committee to introduce a new medical device into the community. DH had a diploma. We started at the same hourly pay rate. We were told that at the end of our first year, if we completed a project, took extra classes and jumped through a number of hoops, we'd be promoted up the clinical ladder and would receive a huge pay jump. I jumped through all of the hoops. DH announced that he wasn't going to jump through any of the hoops because it was stupid.
At the end of our first year, DH, having completed none of the work required for the next rung of the clinical ladder got the promotion and the pay jump. I, having done all the work, did not. For the next 11 years, the pay gap got wider and wider as his 4% raise was calculated on his higher pay rate while mine was calculated on the lower rate. When our manager quit, the new manager, in looking through the files, confided that ALL the male nurses in the unit got the maximum pay raise at the end of the first year while the females got the minimum.
Male nurses somehow get paid more per hour than their female colleagues, and that has not changed in the past forty years, even as we're getting more and more men in nursing.
I believe honesty is the best policy. There is such a thing called "freedom of speech." What is wrong with this guy expressing his opinion, just because you disagree with it, do you really have to retaliate with name-calling. I thank God for male nurse. It has been my experience that females are nasty to each other. Gossiping, bullying and back-stabbing, unlike the male nurses who are much nicer and easier to work with. My advice is to work wherever you feel happiest. If computers are your expertise, then go for it. It's your life. Don't quit. We've all had bad experiences. Work on your confidence and social skills. Get the hell out of Europe and emigrate to a country where nurses are well respected, well paid with plenty of career advancement opportunities. I am European and emigrated to the US because I knew I would never own a house, a car or have a comfortable standard of living with the atrocious wages and lack of respect for nurses in Europe.
There are so many directions in nursing. There is a strong need. There were several men in my program and they were exceptional. However, some of your issues may be cultural and that may be the issue you should address. True there are more females in nursing just like there are more males in other careers however that dies not stop females from trying if that is the desire.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
I believe honesty is the best policy. There is such a thing called "freedom of speech." What is wrong with this guy expressing his opinion, just because you disagree with it, do you really have to retaliate with name-calling. I thank God for male nurse. It has been my experience that females are nasty to each other. Gossiping, bullying and back-stabbing, unlike the male nurses who are much nicer and easier to work with. My advice is to work wherever you feel happiest. If computers are your expertise, then go for it. It's your life. Don't quit. We've all had bad experiences. Work on your confidence and social skills. Get the hell out of Europe and emigrate to a country where nurses are well respected, well paid with plenty of career advancement opportunities. I am European and emigrated to the US because I knew I would never own a house, a car or have a comfortable standard of living with the atrocious wages and lack of respect for nurses in Europe.
Also, I'm sorry to hear about your experiences with being paid less than the men you work with (even though you have more experience, education, etc.). That is just wrong. As a female, I got the same bonuses as the male nurses on the unit I work with. As a new grad, I started at the same hourly rate as the other new grad who was a guy.
The question is, if male nurses (or men in general) make more than female nurses, why hire male nurses at all? Wouldn't it be more cost effective for the facility to only hire women
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