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I don't need any government to tell me if I have their permission to defend myself. If I feel threatened, I am going to carry, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.  Especially when I worked in homecare and went into some shady neighborhoods. I am 6' 4", 240 lb guy with a great deal of Native AmerIcan blood, myancestry tagged me around 75%. I am told I look mean and people are initially intimidated by me, but I think that is because I can see through them and frankly hate most people.  When 3 crackheads tried to jump me in Detroit, I will just say I kicked the tar out of them and still have a knife that they pulled on me (along with scars on my knuckles from knocking their teeth out). They messed with the wrong guy when they messed with a trained fighter. If they had a gun, I would have been a victim. My ancestors were victims, but I refuse to be one. Having a locked and loaded 44 under my pillow and a 357 within reach helps me sleep better at night. It levels the playing field.  My idea of an endangered species is anyone who comes through my door without my permission. You wanna see your god, try me. I will give you an instant, one way ticket to the resurrection should you enter my abode without my permission and intending me harm. . I don't need any government permission to defend myself. The government has this proven, uncanny ability to destroy everything it gets its hands on, especially healthcare. Minimal or better yet, no government is the best choice, they are about as significant to me as that speck of dog poop that I flung onto my neighbor's yard this evening. I hate them as well, but they don't mess with me. In fact, they seem afraid of me, which is fine. I like it that way.  They had Biden signs on their lawns in the last, stolen election so from that day forward  I knew they were both ignorant and stupid as well.  Having and carrying a nice, warm gun gives me peace of mind.  You whiny, liberal wimps can bellyache all you want, but after you allow yourselves to become victims, know you had a chance not to have put yourself in that predicament. 

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Roitrn said:

A criminal case is different than a first amendment case. False equivalency. Not to mention this group makes it very clear what their ideology is. Pretty sure you wouldn't find MAGA camping in trees protesting a police facility and forest destruction. LOL

However under your standards, you have already dubed Fox's alleged defamation as the " greatest media scandal in modern history". Because of personal text messages. I could, considering the video evidence that we have seen, these people are, the most "violent political terrorist attack since Jan.6."  But I won't because that's ridiculous. 

However it is true. These people charged with domestic terrorism for attacking a police facility have not been found guilty in a court of law.

 And Fox had not been deemed liable for defamation.  Eventhough neither are comparable to eachother. 

So sure. I am making an assumption of their political affliation. Do you think they are right wing terrorist? 

Here a link to a video. https://www.cbsnews.com/video/23-charged-with-domestic-terrorism-after-protest-at-cop-city-site-outside-atlanta/

Do you think these are "right wing terrorist"?. 

I don't think the protesters in Atlanta have any political affiliation. I think they are either afraid of the police and/or want to save the forest. 

There are plenty of conservatives who do not like the police. How about those people who attacked the capital police on Jan. 6? 

It does however suit the Rupublicans in power in Georgia to say the protesters are left wing. It bolsters their desire to have an autocracy. 

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nursej22 said:

I don't think the protesters in Atlanta have any political affiliation. I think they are either afraid of the police and/or want to save the forest. 

There are plenty of conservatives who do not like the police. How about those people who attacked the capital police on Jan. 6? 

It does however suit the Rupublicans in power in Georgia to say the protesters are left wing. It bolsters their desire to have an autocracy. 

Are you aware that destroying an entire ecosystem violates some peoples' religion?

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nursej22 said:

I don't think the protesters in Atlanta have any political affiliation. I think they are either afraid of the police and/or want to save the forest. 

There are plenty of conservatives who do not like the police. How about those people who attacked the capital police on Jan. 6? 

It does however suit the Rupublicans in power in Georgia to say the protesters are left wing. It bolsters their desire to have an autocracy. 

Do you really believe what you said? I think the blatant violence committed by the radical left has been called out and you do not like it. A official finally has brought charges and spoke out against it. 

Except, the Jan.6 protesters were not specifically targeting the police because they believe in BS police propaganda they learned on CNN. They were engaged in a riot. And no. This is not an acceptable excuse. However it's far different from purposely attacking the police because of a political agenda. 

Right. Just like it suites democrats to exploit every incident like it was 911. To bring attention to attacks on Planned Parenthood but completely ignore attacks on pregnancy centre's.  To dismiss illegal protest in front of SCOTUS justice's homes. And send a swat team to the home of a pro-life activist. . 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/catholic-pro-life-activist-arrested-home-massive-swat-team-family

Yes. I cited a right media source because you can see on the screen shot below,from Allsides,  there is very little left sources reporting it. 

 

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nursej22 said:

I don't think the protesters in Atlanta have any political affiliation. I think they are either afraid of the police and/or want to save the forest. 

There are plenty of conservatives who do not like the police. How about those people who attacked the capital police on Jan. 6? 

It does however suit the Rupublicans in power in Georgia to say the protesters are left wing. It bolsters their desire to have an autocracy. 

They are desperate to come up with additional types of charges.  It's probablyly not that easy to mass arrest and jail people for trying to protect a forest that is in their neighborhood.  Why would the city purposefully antagonize people who don't want to see the largest urban forest in the country destroyed?  I can only imagine the flack they would have to contend with if they tried to build a police training facility in Central Park.

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subee said:

They are desperate to come up with additional types of charges.  It's probablyly not that easy to mass arrest and jail people for trying to protect a forest that is in their neighborhood.  Why would the city purposefully antagonize people who don't want to see the largest urban forest in the country destroyed?  I can only imagine the flack they would have to contend with if they tried to build a police training facility in Central Park.

I suspect that someone stands to make a Burt load of money off that public works project.

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@Roitrn Trump supporters did specifically target Capitol police because of a political agenda on January 6, 2021. After they overcame the police they breeched the building and stopped the congressional proceedings... for a political agenda. 

https://www.inquirer.com/news/mark-houck-bucks-county-planned-parenthood-jury-acquitted-20230130.html

What is the story, the way he was arrested, what he admitted to doing, or the verdict? 

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

@Roitrn Trump supporters did specifically target Capitol police because of a political agenda on January 6, 2021. After they overcame the police they breeched the building and stopped the congressional proceedings... for a political agenda. 

https://www.inquirer.com/news/mark-houck-bucks-county-planned-parenthood-jury-acquitted-20230130.html

What is the story, the way he was arrested, what he admitted to doing, or the verdict? 

 

No. They targeted the capital where Biden was being sworn in to protest what they thought was a fraudulent election. An insurrection is a violent uprising against the government. The police were trying to stop them from doing that. 

This violent domestic terrorist attack was a direct assult targeting the police in order to stop what they feel is a militaristic agency and to prevent forest destruction. A government allowed land development project  to build a training facility.  Approved by the state that also has democrats. 

Not the same and you know it. 

Doesn't matter. Any violence committed by any group for any political affiliation is not acceptable. I condemn both. 

You still haven't said anything about this domestic terrorist attack. Is it because you feel it is just? 

I can't read your source.  Pay wall.

 

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subee said:

They are desperate to come up with additional types of charges.  It's probablyly not that easy to mass arrest and jail people for trying to protect a forest that is in their neighborhood.  Why would the city purposefully antagonize people who don't want to see the largest urban forest in the country destroyed?  I can only imagine the flack they would have to contend with if they tried to build a police training facility in Central Park.

Right

 That's why many arrested for domestic terrorism were from out of state and even from Canada.  Because it's in their "neighborhood" right? 

No one is buying the usual virtue signaling on this one. They were not just trying to stand up for rights and protect the neighborhood trees. This was an organized, planned terrorist attack. Caught on video. 

No outrage here? Only suggest violence is okay if it aligns with one's ideology.... 

 

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heron said:

I suspect that someone stands to make a butt - load of money off that public works project.

 

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Roitrn said:

Do you really believe what you said?

 

 

Are you questioning my sincerity or just calling me stupid? 

From what I've read, it's not clear to me what, if any political affiliation the protesters in Atlanta have. And it appears to be a collection of loosely aligned people. 

 

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Roitrn said:

No. They targeted the capital where Biden was being sworn in to protest what they thought was a fraudulent election. An insurrection is a violent uprising against the government. The police were trying to stop them from doing that. 

This violent domestic terrorist attack was a direct assult targeting the police in order to stop what they feel is a militaristic agency and to prevent forest destruction. A government allowed land development project  to build a training facility.  Approved by the state that also has democrats. 

Not the same and you know it. 

Doesn't matter. Any violence committed by any group for any political affiliation is not acceptable. I condemn both. 

You still haven't said anything about this domestic terrorist attack. Is it because you feel it is just? 

I can't read your source.  Pay wall.

 

No. Biden was not being sworn in. 

The election results were being certified by a joint session of congress. The violent mob was assembled by Trump and he then incited them to march to the Capitol and STOP THE STEAL.  That's when they targeted and overwhelmed the police before they broke into the building and stopped the official business of the United States Congress. Members of Congress and the second and third officials in line for the presidency had to be hurried to secure locations for their own safety. 

The events of January 6th WERE  a violent uprising against the federal government.  The misguided and angry mob literally stopped the certification of the free and fair election results.  

What do I need to say? Engaging in violent behavior is not okay and it got them arrested.  The local law enforcement team is going to throw the book at them, perhaps in a retaliatory way.  

Meanwhile a republican legislator stood on a stage at CPAC this week and recommended getting rid of the FBI and DOJ.

Use your search engine of choice to find the story conclusion about the antiabortion activist that pushed the 72 year old.  

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