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I don't need any government to tell me if I have their permission to defend myself. If I feel threatened, I am going to carry, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.  Especially when I worked in homecare and went into some shady neighborhoods. I am 6' 4", 240 lb guy with a great deal of Native AmerIcan blood, myancestry tagged me around 75%. I am told I look mean and people are initially intimidated by me, but I think that is because I can see through them and frankly hate most people.  When 3 crackheads tried to jump me in Detroit, I will just say I kicked the tar out of them and still have a knife that they pulled on me (along with scars on my knuckles from knocking their teeth out). They messed with the wrong guy when they messed with a trained fighter. If they had a gun, I would have been a victim. My ancestors were victims, but I refuse to be one. Having a locked and loaded 44 under my pillow and a 357 within reach helps me sleep better at night. It levels the playing field.  My idea of an endangered species is anyone who comes through my door without my permission. You wanna see your god, try me. I will give you an instant, one way ticket to the resurrection should you enter my abode without my permission and intending me harm. . I don't need any government permission to defend myself. The government has this proven, uncanny ability to destroy everything it gets its hands on, especially healthcare. Minimal or better yet, no government is the best choice, they are about as significant to me as that speck of dog poop that I flung onto my neighbor's yard this evening. I hate them as well, but they don't mess with me. In fact, they seem afraid of me, which is fine. I like it that way.  They had Biden signs on their lawns in the last, stolen election so from that day forward  I knew they were both ignorant and stupid as well.  Having and carrying a nice, warm gun gives me peace of mind.  You whiny, liberal wimps can bellyache all you want, but after you allow yourselves to become victims, know you had a chance not to have put yourself in that predicament. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Standard?

 

As in, " double standard"? As in you would have none if it weren't for the duality? 

No sarcasm. 

I think you would be spouting a whole different tune if this was an attack from the "right wing terrorist". Stating your contempt for Trump and anything conservative. How FOX, the most corrupt news media source in modern history fooled the ignorant "right wing terrorist" into attacking a police facility. The propagandist and charlatans .... etc........................................

And yet you are silent now? What media preference and political talking points do you suppose the people charged in this demestic terrorist attack on the police facility in Georga consume? FoX? LOL

What was that about standards again? 

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I can't understand why my appropriate contempt for the fellow who lied about covid and tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power ... or the political party that makes excuses for him... is so significant that the new member keeps mentioning it like the contempt is unusual.  It's almost like she approves of that man and that party.

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toomuchbaloney said:

I can't understand why my appropriate contempt for the fellow who lied about covid and tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power ... or the political party that makes excuses for him... is so significant that the new member keeps mentioning it like the contempt is unusual.  It's almost like she approves of that man and that party.

Well. It most certainly would help if he was charged with something. He is not. I imagine he will not be like all the other investigations. No result. Seems strange for such a blatant incitement attack on our democratic republic. 

These domestic terrorist have been charged. With domestic terrorism. Again, Trump has been charged with nothing. If he is charged and convicted in a fair trial, I will denounce him. Just as if these people somehow secure a not guilty verdict, I will accept that as well. At least they have enough evidence to charge then. 

What is unusual but expected is that your contempt seems to be for only one side that breaks the law. Such contempt for "right wing extremist" but seemly none for these types of criminals. 

I denounce all forms of political violence regardless of political affiliation. I really can't say with confidence that you do. 

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Harmful and immoral =\= illegal

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heron said:

Harmful and immoral =\= illegal

Then charge them! 

 Can't send people to jail because you disagree with their morals, beliefs thoughts and most speech. How totalitarian of you.........

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Roitrn said:

Then charge them! 

 Can't send people to jail because you disagree with their morals, beliefs thoughts and most speech. How totalitarian of you.........

So, no opinions allowed until specifically illegal behavior is proved beyond a reasonable doubt? 

How very fascist of you ...

Do you remember Enron and their shenanigans in the California energy market? Do you assert that I'm not allowed to judge that kind of behavior as immoral and unethical because it was legal?

As far as trump is concerned, he has a long and provable record of lying, failed businesses, abusive and racist behavior, and self-serving manipulation. I don't require your approval or permission to have an opinion about that.

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heron said:

So, no opinions allowed until specifically illegal behavior is proved beyond a reasonable doubt?

How fascist of you ...

No. I never said that. You may have your opinion. 

You cannot criminally punish someone without first a charge, then a trial. 

So your opinion is that people should be put in jail without a trial ? Because that's your opinion? 

That's not fascist? 

 

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Roitrn said:

No. I never said that. You may have your opinion. 

You cannot criminally punish someone without first a charge, then a trial. 

So your opinion is that people should be put in jail without a trial ? Because that's your opinion? 

That's not fascist? 

 

You just reprimanded TMB for his opinion of trump's character, arguing that it is not OK because trump has not yet been convicted. You made the same argument against opinions expressed about Fox News election lies.

Meanwhile, tell it to the people sitting in jail because they can't afford bail. Or all those Muslims who got whisked off to Guantanamo after 9/11.

trump is legally innocent and cannot be jailed until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't change the fact that he's as dirty as a sewer rat.

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heron said:

You just reprimanded TMB for his opinion of trump's character, arguing that it is not OK because trump has not yet been convicted. You made the same argument against opinions expressed about Fox News election lies.

Meanwhile, tell it to the people sitting in jail because they can't afford bail. Or all those Muslims who got whisked off to Guantanamo after 9/11.

trump is legally innocent and cannot be jailed until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't change the fact that he's as dirty as a sewer rat.

Go back and read my comments. I didn't say anything  about TMB opinion on Trump. Only that it is not comparable to the people charged with domestic terrorism for the attack on a police facility in Georga. 

A great way to not have to sit in jail is to not do crime. A very small percentage of people who are charge are charged wen innocent. As far as the Muslium comment, that a deflection. It has nothing to do with what we are talking about. 

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Roitrn said:

Well. It most certainly would help if he was charged with something. He is not. I imagine he will not be like all the other investigations. No result. Seems strange for such a blatant incitement attack on our democratic republic. 

These domestic terrorist have been charged. With domestic terrorism. Again, Trump has been charged with nothing. If he is charged and convicted in a fair trial, I will denounce him. Just as if these people somehow secure a not guilty verdict, I will accept that as well. At least they have enough evidence to charge then. 

What is unusual but expected is that your contempt seems to be for only one side that breaks the law. Such contempt for "right wing extremist" but seemly none for these types of criminals. 

I denounce all forms of political violence regardless of political affiliation. I really can't say with confidence that you do. 

Denouncing political violence yet persistently uncomfortable with my contempt for the man famous for inciting political violence with intentional lies. That seems inconsistent. 

It's okay, you've admitted that there are a number of things that you cannot say or speak to with confidence. 

If you want to talk about political violence from left wing extremists then bring some examples and reporting to the discussion.  It's that simple. 

 

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Denouncing political violence yet persistently uncomfortable with my contempt for the man famous for inciting political violence with intentional lies. That seems inconsistent. 

It's okay, you've admitted that there are a number of things that you cannot say or speak to with confidence. 

If you want to talk about political violence from left wing extremists then bring some examples and reporting to the discussion.  It's that simple. 

 

 

I'm not uncomfortable with your "contempt for the man". Why would I care? 

I did give you an example. Here it is again. 

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A "Stop Cop City" festival was underway nearby to protest the facility's construction when police said more than 100 people, who used the peaceful protest as a cover, broke away and started a violent, coordinated attack on police personnel and construction equipment at the construction site of a proposed police training center.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/atlanta-police-attack/

This doesn't seem to be "right wing violence". 

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Subsequent investigations revealed Hodgkinson as a man with a clear hatred for Republicans. He had arrived at the field in a white van—he was living out of it—with his legally purchased rifle and a list of six conservative members of congress, presumably his targets.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/james-hodgkinson-shooting-republicans-baseball-game

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Radical pro-abortion activists are reportedly using an interactive map developed by two University of Georgia professors to plan their violent attacks on pregnancy resource centers.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/far-left-groups-use-map-created-by-university-professors-to-target-pregnancy-centers-report-says_4559401.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=allsides

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toomuchbaloney said:

Denouncing political violence yet persistently uncomfortable with my contempt for the man famous for inciting political violence with intentional lies. That seems inconsistent. 

It's okay, you've admitted that there are a number of things that you cannot say or speak to with confidence. 

If you want to talk about political violence from left wing extremists then bring some examples and reporting to the discussion.  It's that simple. 

 

 

I think that discussion is not likely to be productive. I'm old enough to remember the Weather Underground, Symbionese Liberation Front and the Watts riots. I suspect it'll get bogged down in false equivalences and the "both sides" dodge.

Now, if you want to talk about disparities in enforcement against such violence ...

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