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I heard today on the radio

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Specializes in BNAT instructor, ICU, Hospice,triage. Has 25 years experience.

that Muslims can get out of the fine we get in the US for not having health insurance because "their religion says that it is gambling to have health insurance."

So can I become Muslim and not get fined for not having health insurance?

I like my current insurance plan, I have had it for 15 years. It is $10,000 deductible and it is only major medical. But I am concerned that in the future, HSA's will go by the wayside unless we get another president that likes HSAs.

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

Muslims aren't actually exempt from having to buy health insurance:

“Dhimmitude” and the Muslim Exemption

HSA's are far more common now under Obamacare than in the past and the proposed replacements for Obamacare also rely heavily on HSA's, so it doesn't appear likely they will go away. They'll never replace the shared cost aspect of insurance however since that isn't really mathematically possible.

Not_A_Hat_Person, RN

Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health. Has 10 years experience.

According to Snopes.com, that rumor is false.

Although Islam does have a tradition of barring conventional insurance products because they "involve an element of uncertainty, gambling and the charging of interest, which are prohibited by the Koran," some Muslim groups make exceptions for insurance which is required by law. Most likely, though, Muslims would not qualify for an exemption from U.S. health insurance requirements because U.S. Muslims do not have a tradition of spurning Social Security (which is viewed more as a form of caring for those who are unable to meet their own needs than as something which involves elements of uncertainty, gambling, and interest payments), and no Muslim group has ever qualified for an exemption under the guidelines which define which religious groups would be exempt from the health care law.

According to Snopes.com, that rumor is false.

Muslims didn't even qualify for religious exemption from combat as do the Amish, etc during the Vietnam war (see Mohammed Ali).

Note to self, don't listen to partisan conservative radio and expect to hear facts about Muslims.

xoemmylouox, ASN, RN

Has 13 years experience.

Muslims didn't even qualify for religious exemption from combat as do the Amish, etc during the Vietnam war (see Mohammed Ali).

Note to self, don't listen to partisan conservative radio and expect to hear facts about Muslims.

Or about anything.. Facts and truth don't tend to fit in their daily "news" reporting..

OCNRN63, RN

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Don't just target Muslims. There are other faiths that have the same exemption, e.g. Amish, Old Order Mennonites. They have their own forms of catastrophic health care (a bit too complex to explain here).

Do you want to become Amish or Old Order Mennonite? (Actually, it's very, very difficult for an outsider to convert.)

I think the "Breakroom" would be more your speed for this sort of conversation.

SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

Muslims didn't even qualify for religious exemption from combat as do the Amish, etc during the Vietnam war (see Mohammed Ali).

Note to self, don't listen to partisan conservative radio and expect to hear facts about Muslims.

Actually, I had heard this on a progressive radio show.

Red Kryptonite

Specializes in hospice. Has 3 years experience.

Actually, I had heard this on a progressive radio show.

Haha, ain't it fun when the assumptions start flying?

Actually, I had heard this on a progressive radio show.
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sort of an odd topic for most run of the mill progressive programming...lies about muslims and other groups is more the purview of folks like Limbaugh, Beck, Levin, and Hannity.

Red Kryptonite

Specializes in hospice. Has 3 years experience.

What show did you hear this on? Can you link a podcast or anything?

SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

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sort of an odd topic for most run of the mill progressive programming...lies about muslims and other groups is more the purview of folks like Limbaugh, Beck, Levin, and Hannity.

Do you listen to a lot of those guys, do you?

Who said it was a topic on a conservative talk show? All the OP said was they "heard it on the radio". For all we know, it was a ill-informed AM disc jockey team who had received the chain email, a caller who misspoke, Beck dispelling the rumor himself that the OP only heard part of, etc. There are many ways someone might have "heard this on the radio".

Your quote to another poster on another topic:

"No, pretty much this libertarian has a difficult time imaging what your points are beyond attempts to aggravate, inflame, and troll those you consider to be liberal."

Other then to aggravate and inflame, what was your point here in blaming conservative radio and insult those who listen to it?

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SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

What show did you hear this on? Can you link a podcast or anything?

No, sorry. I was trying to make a point that if others can blame conservative talk shows for this misinformation, one could just as easily blame a progressive show. I didn't actually hear it anywhere but here.

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

Do you listen to a lot of those guys, do you?

Who said it was a topic on a conservative talk show? All the OP said was they "heard it on the radio". For all we know, it was a ill-informed AM disc jockey team who had received the chain email, a caller who misspoke, Beck dispelling the rumor himself that the OP only heard part of, etc. There are many ways someone might have "heard this on the radio".

Your quote to another poster on another topic:

"No, pretty much this libertarian has a difficult time imaging what your points are beyond attempts to aggravate, inflame, and troll those you consider to be liberal."

Other then to aggravate and inflame, what was your point here in blaming conservative radio and insult those who listen to it?

Googling "Muslims exempt from healthcare law and radio show" produces a number of radio shows that have shared this myth, all are what could be described as some form of conservative leaning.

SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

Googling "Muslims exempt from healthcare law and radio show" produces a number of radio shows that have shared this myth, all are what could be described as some form of conservative leaning.

Then why don't you share those? I did as you said, and found two references to obscure radio shows from 2-3 years ago.

Do you listen to a lot of those guys, do you?

Who said it was a topic on a conservative talk show? All the OP said was they "heard it on the radio". For all we know, it was a ill-informed AM disc jockey team who had received the chain email, a caller who misspoke, Beck dispelling the rumor himself that the OP only heard part of, etc. There are many ways someone might have "heard this on the radio".

Your quote to another poster on another topic:

"No, pretty much this libertarian has a difficult time imaging what your points are beyond attempts to aggravate, inflame, and troll those you consider to be liberal."

Other then to aggravate and inflame, what was your point here in blaming conservative radio and insult those who listen to it?

Yeah, I have listened to hours and hours of talk radio from Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Levin.

I am terribly familiar with the stuff they talk about and the way they talk about it.

I suggest it was conservative talk radio because it is right up their alley, so to speak, based upon hundreds of hours of listening time to those programs.

While this notion seems to have offended you in some way, it is my opinion and impression based upon my experience. How does this insult you or any other listener specifically or individually? Are you suggesting that the folks I mentioned don't state "untruths" as if they were factual, don't misstate facts to fit their agenda, don't mischaracterize facts or details to make their partisan political points, or don't smear people as individuals or groups to further their ideas?

The easy thing here is for the OP to indicate which programming included this misinformation about Muslims.

SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

Are you suggesting that the folks I mentioned don't state "untruths" as if they were factual, don't misstate facts to fit their agenda, don't mischaracterize facts or details to make their partisan political points, or don't smear people as individuals or groups to further their ideas?

That is correct. We are talking about a chain email in this instance. I don't think any of the people you mentioned would present a chain email, that is easily proved to be incorrect, as fact.

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That is correct. We are talking about a chain email in this instance. I don't think any of the people you mentioned would present a chain email, that is easily proved to be incorrect, as fact.

You may be talking about a chain email, but I was responding to the OP about something "heard on the radio".

I have no idea if Beck or Limbaugh or Hannity or Levin would participate in a chain email, but I know for fact that they state untruths as though they are true, that they misstate facts to fit their agendas, that they mischaracterize facts and details to make their own points and that they are not above smearing individuals or groups to further their own ideas, ideals, and philosophical arguments.

ARe you offended because I describe those folks in that manner or because I indicate that you cannot expect that conservative talk radio would provide factual or correct information about Muslims (or any number of other things that the hosts/stars might rant about)?