How does your facility pay for Mandatory education?

tokmom, BSN, RN · Mar 27, 2016

Not much different than low census days. We either take PTO or go unpaid. Or as others said we work our 3 days and use a day off for the mandatory education, which will pay us 8 hours overtime.[/quote']
Pretend that being able to work your three days isn't an option, and you HAVE to go to mandatory education.
We have low census days for those that are called off, but not for mandatory education.

NightOwl0624 · Mar 27, 2016

We are expected to schedule mandatory education on our days off, and are paid accordingly. However, they are not usually 8 hour classes. I'm guessing they would want you to use your pto in this case. If you really made a stink I'm sure they could find something for you to do for 4 hours to make up the difference.

For the record, I HATE being made to come in on my day off. There is no consideration for those who work midnights either. They just expect us to suck it up and figure it out. I've seen nurses work a 12 hour midnight shift and be expected to take a 4 hour class the next morning....starting at 10 am. Not fair, and not safe.

FurBabyMom, MSN, RN · Mar 27, 2016

They use our PTO time to fill gaps. I just took a class earlier this month. I ended up using 45 mins of PTO because the class let out early. I agreed to work 4 eight hour shifts that week in addition to an 8ish hour class... This class wasn't wholly mandatory, but I needed to take it to meet my goals I set for myself. It doesn't matter much to me - working four 10 hour shifts or working five 8 hour shifts. Both have positives/negatives, and it's no big deal since I work days no matter what (well, call is a different story).

A&Ox6, MSN, RN · Mar 27, 2016

We are expected to schedule mandatory education on our days off, and are paid accordingly. However, they are not usually 8 hour classes. I'm guessing they would want you to use your pto in this case. If you really made a stink I'm sure they could find something for you to do for 4 hours to make up the difference.
For the record, I HATE being made to come in on my day off. There is no consideration for those who work midnights either. They just expect us to suck it up and figure it out. I've seen nurses work a 12 hour midnight shift and be expected to take a 4 hour class the next morning....starting at 10 am. Not fair, and not safe.

I recently was scheduled for four overnights in a row, and a 4 hour competency from 9-1 following my shift that ends at 0730. That was really bad. They required that I punch out and leave the premises from 0737-0853

BittyBabyGrower, MSN, RN · Mar 27, 2016

We usually are scheduled a 12 hour shift, 8 of it is out of staffing for the class then we work the last 4 in the unit.

AJJKRN · Mar 27, 2016

So you get paid your full day regardless?

I went back and re-read the OP to re-clarify because I think I initially misunderstood. We don't get paid for time not worked. Say you're suppose to work 36 hours a week and you work two twelves and have scheduled an eight hour day of education. You can pick up a four hour shift somewhere, take PTO, or take the loss.

I guess I'm lucky in the sense that we are expected to be on the clock paid base pay for all educational requirements and we could be in overtime and my work really doesn't fuss about it as long as we have the staffing needs met when needed. So my misconception originally stemmed from usually always working my full 36 (or more) hour work week and any mandatory education is just extra hours and pay.

tokmom, BSN, RN · Mar 28, 2016

I wish I could go back to class, but trying not to give too much away on a forum, there is 1 hr travel time each way for the mandatory classes, so 2 hours are lost just on driving. That leaves 1 hour on each side of the 8 hours to try to make up. That's impossible.

People are complaining of losing hours of time and having to take PTO.

I wanted to see how other facilities handled this.

NightOwl0624 · Mar 28, 2016

I recently was scheduled for four overnights in a row, and a 4 hour competency from 9-1 following my shift that ends at 0730. That was really bad. They required that I punch out and leave the premises from 0737-0853

That is AWFUL! I'm sure you really retained all that new information, too! So inconsiderate of the employer.

loriangel14, RN · Mar 28, 2016

Ours always schedule your ed day on one of your off days and then you get paid for it so you don't lose out you gain a few hours.

brandy1017, ASN, RN · Mar 28, 2016

By us you could simply work an extra 8 hour shift that week or if you don't want to work extra you could either work a 4 hour shift or take 4 hours PTO. They of course would prefer you to work the extra 8 hours because they seem to be perpetually short of staff.

A&Ox6, MSN, RN · Mar 28, 2016

That is AWFUL! I'm sure you really retained all that new information, too! So inconsiderate of the employer.

Thanks. That's not even the worst part. It was one of those competency fairs where the employees have to get checked off on about fifteen skills that come with a lecture. The entire time is spent on your feet.

Also, as a psych nurse, why was I spending this time on the same competencies as the ICU and perioperative nurses? I will also have a separate set of psych competencies. The hospital system also recently instituted an online learning competency. All nurses had the same 50 exams/classes to take. Again, none applied to my required psych competencies...

tokmom, BSN, RN · Apr 2, 2016

Ours always schedule your ed day on one of your off days and then you get paid for it so you don't lose out you gain a few hours.

Wish I had that option.