Hospital Sponsoships for International Nursing Students

Kosmonavt · Dec 31, 2009

I think you're missing the point that Ghillbert was trying to make. The evidence that Ghillbert was asking for is because Ghillbert was accused of being wrong and the other poster never provided as to why Ghillbert was wrong. The person just accused but didn't give any reasons as to why. The other poster said it was plain and simple but didn't wish to explain, so there's no credibility on what the other poster is saying. I can understand Ghillberts point, just explain why Ghillbert is supposedly wrong.

Just for the exceptionally smart people who read carefully before posting I would like to repeat once again that Ghillbert was wrong because the following statements are not true:

If you want to immigrate based on employment, you need a bachelor degree.

You cannot get a job and stay in the US with an associates degree.

Those statements are wrong and misleading. And I'm not going to waste my time proving or explaining anything to you. Google is your friend, or at least search this forum first. If you still have question why nurses are not required to have BSN to emigrate to the US - open a new topic and do not trash this one.

allnurses Guide · Dec 31, 2009

What evidence do you want? An RN in the US doesn't require bachelor's. In other countries BSN is the minimum requirement, that's why most immigrant nurses have bachelor degree.

I am well aware that a US RN doesn't require a bachelor degree. I work in a US hospital. I am not well aware that it's possible to immigrate to the US as a foreign nurse with less than a bachelor degree. I am merely saying that saying "you're wrong" to someone is pointless unless you provide information as to how/why they are wrong. Plus it makes you look like a jackass.

Having completed the requirements for licensure as a foreign nurse, and undergoing CGFNS CES etc, I know that I had to get my transcripts evaluated as equivalent to a US degree or not. Why would they do that if you don't need the degree?

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Dec 31, 2009

Much of this debate back and forth is really quite moot with regard to the OP's question .

Hospitals currently are reluctant to sponsor US citizens through nursing school and thus employee them for two years. Currently some hospitals that have paid for US citizens to get Nursing degrees, have been breaking contract and not employing those grad nurses, because literally do not have positions for them. Thousands of US citizen new RNs are unable to find jobs, even with a BSN and a clear permit to work.

In said circumstances, finding a hospital that will sponsor a noncitizen to get an ADN degree to work MAYBE if they qualify in 2-7 years in the future IF they they can get permit to work legally in the USA......is pretty remote. There really is no good reason to do so, as it is an employers market out there right now.

And with health care reform on the horizon, no one really knows how the funding for health care will be affected long term, those do not want to make longterm obligations.

Trauma Columnist · Dec 31, 2009

In the end, Caroladybelle is correct - this is a moot point.

There are no jobs for US citizens so debating immigration standards when they can and do change is not worth it.

And, if you challenge a poster, please be prepared to back up your information with a source. Otherwise this is viewed as rude.

AN is not meant to be a replacement for an immigration attorney. Please, if you have questions that are of that nature, they are the experts.

Also, please remember to be polite - it is okay to debate the topic, it's not okay to debate the posters.

Buran09 · Dec 31, 2009

I am well aware that a US RN doesn't require a bachelor degree. I work in a US hospital. I am not well aware that it's possible to immigrate to the US as a foreign nurse with less than a bachelor degree. I am merely saying that saying "you're wrong" to someone is pointless unless you provide information as to how/why they are wrong. Plus it makes you look like a jackass.
Having completed the requirements for licensure as a foreign nurse, and undergoing CGFNS CES etc, I know that I had to get my transcripts evaluated as equivalent to a US degree or not. Why would they do that if you don't need the degree?

You must be not very well informed. First of all, word "degree" does not mean "bachelor's degree". So when your transcript got evaluated they compared your education against US ADN degree. BSN is not required for immigration. If you are coming from some country with 2-year degree and a valid license and CGFNS recognizes your education as equivalent to US education (ADN) for RN's there should be no problem. I'm myself and thousands of other nurses got sponsored by the hospitals when I had my ADN only. Could you provide a link to any official document that says BSN is required for foreign nurses applying for permanent residence through the employment?

Also, I would like to note that the original poster wants to go to the nursing school in the US to obtain her ADN. In this case she will get licensed as any other US nurse. So why did you state that bachelor's degree is required for emigration to the US and why do you think she will not qualify if a) CGFNS will recognize her education to be equivalent to the US degree b) she will graduate from the approved nursing school in the US; c) she will hold unrestricted license to practice in the US.

So could you enlighten us why a nurse with ADN who meets the criteria outlined by USCIS will not qualify for permanent residency?

I will appreciate if you provide answers to the underlined questions and support your statements by providing a link to some credible source.

NurseCubanitaRN2b, BSN, RN · Dec 31, 2009

if you reread the original post it states that they're looking for hospital sponsorship which would mean h1b visa which an adn doesn't meet the requirements. so therefore that visa is not an option. true, the person will be able to get licensed as a rn but that doesn't mean he/she will be able to practice as a rn. h1b visa is not a permanent resident visa, those who were sponsored under a h1b visa with only a adn might have gotten it through fraud. those under that visa are being investigated because of speculation of fraud.

here's a link: https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/nurse-work-visa.html h-1b visa eligibility requirements: in order for the petitioning employer to hire a foreign rn (registered nurse), the registered nurse must qualify for a specialty occupation. although general rns will not typically be eligible for [color=#064195]h-1b visa status, certain specialized nursing occupations are likely to require a bachelor’s or higher degree as the minimum requirement for entry into that specialized field. consequently, those positions have a great chance of satisfying the h-1b visa requirements. other requirements may be a state license to practice the occupation, completion of degree, experience and expertise.

go back to the original post, they're talking about hospital sponsorship which would mean a work visa, not permanent visa which are two totally different things. for permanent residence in the us a bachelors (or its equivalent) degree isn't required, however the original poster wasn't talking about a permanent residency. nobody on this forum stated that one can't migrate to the us as a permanent resident with a bachelors degree as a minimum requirement.

Buran09 · Dec 31, 2009

If you reread the original post it states that they're looking for hospital sponsorship which would mean H1b visa.......

Did you read my post before replying to it or you are a selective reader? Where did I mention H-1B? Have you ever heard about green cards for nurses?

Or do you think nobody knows that H-1B requires at least Bachelor's degree? And yes, I know that retrogression exists, so no need to repeat that too.

And by the way, H-1B is a non-immigrant visa (although it's dual-intend). We are talking about emigration here. See the difference?

Go back to the original post, they're talking about hospital sponsorship which would mean a work visa, not permanent visa....

That's an interesting assumption.:D

Can you explain why it means "a work visa, not a permanent visa"?

NurseCubanitaRN2b, BSN, RN · Dec 31, 2009

Did you re read the original post from the original poster? Go back to Post #1, they weren't talking about an immigrant visa or green card. They were talking about hospital sponsorship. You want to know the difference between work visa and permanent visa, do some research and look it up. If you still have questions please see Post #1. In regards to selective reader you fit that catetory to a tee!

kocheli · Dec 31, 2009

I am a BSN RN from India with 3 years of experience and green card.I struggled a lot to get a job.Any way wish you all the best

Buran09 · Dec 31, 2009

Did you re read the original post from the original poster? Go back to Post #1, they weren't talking about an immigrant visa or green card. They were talking about hospital sponsorship. You want to know the difference between work visa and permanent visa, do some research and look it up. If you still have questions please see Post #1. In regards to selective reader you fit that catetory to a tee!

So, you can't answer my question. Why have you decided that the term "sponsorship" applies to work visa only? Did it come to your mind that it applies to the green card as well?:D

Also, it seems like you did not notice that I was addressing not the post #1, but post #37 where Ghillbert made a wrong suggestion that in order to emigrate (Green card) a nurse has to have a bachelor's degree (wrong) and I explained why it's wrong. Not sure why you decided to debate with me about H-1B? I really don't want to argue with you anymore unless you provide some evidence that a word "sponsorship" applies to H-1B but not to the Green card.

As for post #1 I can only suggest to go to the ADN program first in order to get a license and Visascreen faster. And then she can do RN-to-BSN. If the original poster thinks it may help her to get a GC sooner, it won't (most likely).

SandeepSandhu · Jan 1, 2010

Yes, My question was about signing a contract with a hospital that can pay for my fee under the contract that after the completion of my degree, i will work for the same hospital for 2 years who paid for my fee during the degree I am starting now. This is a differenr sponsorship that I am looking for. I want to know if anyone knows such hospitals who are willing to sponsor me under the constarct. Here are many such hospitals in south florida who are sponsorring the green card holders or citizens but not the international student. I, being an international finding it difficult to find such offer. Can someone help on this please.

kocheli · Jan 1, 2010

Are you green card holder?