Heated debate between Civilian ED RN and FMF Hospital Corpsman.

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:madface: before i begin this thread, i'd like to take a moment for those that may not be familiar with what a fmf hospital corpsman is exactly, so that there is a better understanding of my frustration:

for seven boot camp-like, rifle-toting, blister-breaking weeks down south at camp lejeune, n.c., the navy and marine corps team up at field medical service school (fmss) east to mold standard navy-issue corpsmen into sailors good enough for the fleet marine force (fmf). the good ones will earn the marines' respect. the great ones earn the title, "doc." there are corpsmen and then there are 'docs.' a doc is someone you can count on. he's someone in your platoon that when something happens to one of our fellow marines, you can call on him and not have to worry. he's your buddy, a comrade in arms, a person who you count on to cover your back, to lay down fire, dig fighting holes or do whatever marines are doing. that's who a doc is. one of the first things a good fmf corpsman learns is that the very last thing he's worried about is himself. in combat it goes through your mind, 'ok, there's a guy that got shot, i can stay here and i'll be safe and if i do, that marine's probably going to die. having the self-confidence needed by a successful battlefield corpsman can grow and many of the scenarios the medical and marine corps advisors put their students through are centered on precisely that--building confidence in the sailors' knowledge and their abilities. the fmf corpsman are taught what the marine corps will demand of them from the very first day with boot camp-style inspections, relentless physical fitness training and unyielding tolerances for marine corps discipline, all the while being tested academically both in the classroom and in the field. being book- or street-smart alone isn't enough to make it as an fmf corpsman. you have to be both because being with marines means always thinking outside the box, way outside the box. navy corpsmen are one of the most combat decorated rating in the navy, and most of those medals were earned by corpsmen serving with their marines. it's a glory only a select few dare to chase. to become an fmf corpsman stems from a reputation the marine corps has for expecting a lot more responsibility from its junior personnel, especially their corpsmen and it's a character trait fmss instructors look for on the very first day of school. going greenside, fmf corpsman will have a lot more people depending on them to know what they have to do, and they will have the opportunity to do it. by serving with the marine corps they will learn more about what a corpsman ought to be sooner rather than later. as an fmf corpsman you have an immense amount of responsibility sometimes more than you really want. you have a group of marines whose medical care is assigned to you--just you. you are in charge of everything that happeneds to them and their medical records are your responsibility. fmf corpsman are in charge of making sure their marine's immunizations are up to date as well. if they get hurt you have to fix them, and if i get hurt they have to fix me. you're never going to be a leader of a group of individuals in a hospital as an e-2, but in the marine corps, when it comes to medical care for the marines, you are. and that's the most rewarding thing there is, to take a group of people like that into combat and bring them back alive. so in conclusion, the duties of a fmf hospital corpsman consist of and are not limited to:

assisting in prevention and treatment of disease and injuries;

caring for sick and injured;

administering immunization programs;

rendering emergency medical treatment;

instructing sailors and marines in first aid, self aid and personal hygiene procedures;

transporting the sick and injured;

conducting preliminary [color=#366388]physical examinations;

performing medical administrative, supply and accounting procedures;

maintaining treatment records and reports;

supervising shipboard and field environmental sanitation and [color=#366388]preventive medicine programs;

supervising air, water, food and habitability standards;

performing clinical laboratory tests and operating sophisticated laboratory equipment;

taking and processing x-rays and operating x-ray equipment;

filling prescriptions, maintaining pharmacy stock;

serving as operating room technicians for general and specialized surgery;

performing [color=#366388]preventive maintenance and repairs on biomedical equipment.

so, with all of that being said, i would like to share a situation that i encountered. today, i was informed by a 1 year civilian rn that as a fmf corpsman, i was inferior to her due to the fact that she was a rn and i was merely a military medic. further more she voiced her opinion (which i found quite undeducated) that due to her "formal" class room education, she was superior to me because i am not licensed and she is, stating that my level of education and skill is only that of a basic cna.

i found this to not only show her ignorance, but her extreme disrespect for our military service members who work in the medical field and put their lives on the line every day, and seeing how i am a fmf hospital corpsman and i am referred to as "doc" by my fellow marines, i took this quite personal. no i did not sit through your everyday civilian rn training and nor do i put myself above the ones that have, but by no means do i feel like my level of skill is in anyway inferior to a difference in training.

so, this is what i am asking the current and/or prior corpsman out there and the current and/or prior ed rn's out there: is this the attitude that is to be expected once i enter into the civilian world? is there really no respect for the men and women who serve our country performing the same level of critical care that you do, only we put our lives on the line in a time of combat to get the job done and take care of the ones that have put their lives on the line for your freedom?

i will close with a statement i heard once from a fellow service member: "to all of the civilians out there they may not respect or understand your countries military and what we are fighting for, late at night when you lay your head on your pillow and you wrap up in that warm blanket and go to sleep in peace, just remember, that blanket is called freedom which is provided for you by the same people you insult"

The US military seems to have a long reputation with us civilians for training medical personnel on their own terms. They more or less get away with it because of the entity that the US military is. I'm not saying that it's good or bad, but, unfortunately, US military training in many procedures does not transfer into the ability to utilize those skills in the private sector, and ... you have already found out why. It's because the US military did not educate you at a level to be able to sit for the NCLEX or another board that would give you a license.

Exactly, and unfortunately some corpsmen who are hired as civilian aides don't know or refuse to acknowledge their limitations, overstep their boundaries and suffer the consequences, such as termination. They cannot do in the civilian world what they can do in the military.

Well EmergencyNrse, I didn't realize I was the one that walked into the facility with a chip on my shoulder. If you really would like to know, I was ASKED by the staffing coordinator of the hospital to come in and do a walk through because he would like to employ me on my time off. I actually went in with an open mind and eager to learn all that I could from every aspect of the situation, being it from RN's, RT's, MD's, PA's, NP's, or any other combination of the letter of the alphabet that was working there. You say I am showing MY ignorance, well I see you share the same ignorance as the person I spoke with today by telling me I should allow another health care provider to belittle my skills due to the fact that we are what you call "apples and oranges". So thank you for your advice, it has been noted.

p.s. to you, I guess whenever I become and apple, I will be welcome back onto YOUR NURSING FORUM and A CIVILIAN HOSPITAL.

My apologies to everyone for being an orange.

Really MULAN, is that right, because today I witnessed at least 3 different HIPAA violations alone from a few RN's. Man I guess this is what is to be expected from the RN community.

RN = SUPERIOR and MILITARY = UNTRAINED AND UNDEDUCATED.

I guess this orange is going to take it's undeducated and untrained self back to where it belongs, and thats on the front line fighting for your freedom. Stay warm in your blanket guys!

Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.

I like you and apologize for my colleague for her lack of knowledge to your role.

It is unfortunate in the civilian world that we have a different set of rules to follow. I know on my part that I don't need to prove to anyone who knows what and who doesn't know what....it all shows eventually anyway.

I hope that you will find it in your heart to go forward and realize that many of us here respect what you've done and hope that your background will make any future medical training a little easier for you.

I have many military colleagues (captains, majors, and colonels) who go beyond THEIR scope of practice as needed...things they wouldn't be allowed in the civilian world..that has to do with lawyers lurking around, I am sure. Unfortunately, outside of the military, the environment is not as forgiving.

Good luck to you in your future endeavors. You sound like a really smart person.

Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.
Really MULAN, is that right, because today I witnessed at least 3 different HIPAA violations alone from a few RN's. Man I guess this is what is to be expected from the RN community.

RN = SUPERIOR and MILITARY = UNTRAINED AND UNDEDUCATED.

I guess this orange is going to take it's undeducated and untrained self back to where it belongs, and thats on the front line fighting for your freedom. Stay warm in your blanket guys!

This apple wouldn't mind being around the oranges. I am not superior to anyone. Nor is anyone superior to me. Just different levels of knowledge, that's all....:smokin:

JoPACURN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID, IT TRUELY MEANS A LOT AND IS VERY REFRESHING TO HEAR THE WORDS YOU JUST SAID. I PLAN ON GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THE MEDICAL FIELD TO COMPETE TO BE THE BETTER PERSON OR TO RECEIVE THE "KNOW IT ALL" TROPHY. I AM HERE TO SAVE LIVES, HELP OTHERS, AND STAND BY THE HOSPITAL CORPSMAN PLEDGE THAT I RAISED MY HAND TO.

THANK YOU AND BEST WISHES TO YOU AS WELL, I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENTS.

JoPACURN, I like your style, even if you are an apple! You are welcome with the oranges anyday! :bow:

I just had my wife read your posts and she told me to give you this :yeah:

What !!! how dare her I was an army medic and was called Doc also that RN has no idea what it means to be called Doc something she would never be called we do way more than a nurse could ever do think about we do what our soldiers do and when we are done thats when we get to work and we know ever single one of our pt. we do I.V.s in the dark and we do it with no sleep and we also have the hard job of deciding who to work on and who is too far gone we don't need much we save lives with nothing more than a stick and some cloth she has no idea what medics know and what we have seen where I am from Alabama we get nothing but respect I worked with an M.D. who was in the air force who told me he missed his medics because they could do way more than R.N.s do I can't believe she said that

I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling insulted by a statement like that, but you do come across as overly defensive and that confuses me. I know that you understand that you can't legally practice the same as an RN in the civilian world, but are you expecting to be treated as though you can? What position was the staffing coordinator attempting to employ you for?

He was planning on rotating me from multiple positions through out the hospital.

Never once did I say "treat me as an RN". My point was, show me some respect and do NOT treat me like I do not belong in a hospital setting. Do not disprespect me

when I have shown you nothing but respect.

I am very aware of what I can and can not bring over to the civilian side of things, so where you got that I expect to be streamlined directly into a position, I do not know. Maybe that is why I do come across defensive. I was treated as though I was stepping on someones toes and had a nose thrown up at me before I could even make my way through the door.

So for anyone reading this who feels like I am asking for something that I do not deserve, keep in mind my frustration is a result of direct disrespect of my skill and my knowledge as an FMF Corpsman not the fact that I feel superior to anyone that is not in the military.

It seems to me that it is the other way around. I keep reading "you don't know what we all we do" and how the military is not properly trained in the medical field and that is why it does not transfer over into the civilian world. So please understand that when you have paid your dues as a hospital corpsman and you've taken the extra step to be a Fleet Marine Force Corpsman and you have EARNED the name "doc" you may have a hard time understanding the level of disrespect you receive from others who are closed minded. I went into that hospital with an open mind, and an eagerness to learn, not to be degrated. To me it seems there is a lot of hypocrisy going on.

Don't worry about it they will never understand

Nurse was rude, end of that story. Unfortunately, I have a sneaky suspicion this thread is fixing to go down an unproductive and inane path. Paramedic versus nurse anybody?

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