He Wanted to Practice Satanism for the Baby

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Yes you read the title correctly and I can't make this up.

I am currently finishing up nursing school and had my last OB clinical rotation yesterday. We had the night shift (4-11p) and everything was going fine, one lady partsl birth and a healthy newborn arrived. After taking the baby to get bathed per the mother's request, we give the baby back so she can feed them.

Shortly after, the dad arrives and tell us to put oil on the baby. Mind you, the mother had already told us that the dad was a drug addict and was supposed to be in rehab but wanted to see the birth of his baby, so she allowed him in with supervision of staff.

Here's where it gets crazy, the dad brings out a bottle of substance in a flask with a skull head and snakes surrounding it (kind of like the flask from "Little Nicky).

The mom, of course, immediately said no and to escort him out but he wouldn't leave so we had to call security.

Before security came he started speaking in a deep voice and his eyes started rolling back, that's when we got the mom and baby to safety while he stayed in the room chanting something about Satan and satanism.

The reason why I'm telling this story is to ask if this happens regularly in nursing. This was something I had never seen before.

I was like:

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Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro.
I've always wondered but is it specific to the facility or the state in terms of what to do if a "family decision" will cause harm for the patient.[/Quote]

I would say not typically... I mean, in this case w/ the pt asking him to leave and he not complying: it is her right to decline visitors or religious rites no matter where she is.

There are sometimes facility-specific policies. One example where I work: pt sustains GSWs in the course of gang or drug activity. Our policy is those pts may only have two visitors.

But in cases where visitor is ignoring the pt's request to leave, someone armed, a family member interfering with medical care -- those things are threats anywhere

The reason why I'm telling this story is to ask if this happens regularly in nursing. This was something I had never seen before.

Totally happens every time I come to work.

:wtf:

Specializes in Surgical, quality,management.
I've always wondered but is it specific to the facility or the state in terms of what to do if a "family decision" will cause harm for the patient.

I am in Australia, Victoria to be more exact and VIC is always a bit of a special case when it comes to legislation....

Within the hierarchy of responsibe person starting with spouse, parent oldest child regardless of gender over 18 the current legislation states that as an advocate for a patient if no Medical Power of Attorney was made while in good health that they should do do what is in the best interest of the patient. This is about to change on 12th March with the new legislation Medical Treatment and Decision Making Act. This act requires the medical descision maker to respond as the patient would of e.g. dad doesn't want to be dependent on full time nursing to live....lets withdraw treatment.

Anyhow, here in VIC if the NOK does not seem rationale it is up to the unit consultant to contact ghe executive director of medicine in hours or the senior medical staff person on call out of hours. If it is an emergency contact the office of the public advocate for a guardian ad libim, and get a second senior doctor to discuss with the guardian as well - then proceed. If not emergent then family meeting with SW, NUM, consultant, exec director of medicine and family to explain situation and attempt to gain consensus. If not as above.... sometimes it can be headed off with a family meeting with just SW, NUM, and registrar or consultant with a chance forthe family to talk through some of their anxieties etc.

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Moved to OB/GYN

Specializes in Psychiatric RN & Retired Psychiatric CNA.
LOL! Soooo, just out of curiosity what would the correct term be for Kenyan "cultural dress"? I love to learn these little nuggets of information.

There are different dressings that are categorized by their respectful tribe such as the shuka for Maasai males or a kitenge that's generally worn by most east/west African women.

Specializes in Cardiology, School Nursing, General.

I sometimes saw parents fight on the name of the child, even one wanting to name their kid Naruto. The mother and I said at the same time, "No... just no." We just looked at each other and laughed. I told the dad, if you are going to name your kid after an anime character, use a character that isn't as annoying as Naruto and less cringe, mother agreed. He went with Kai later on, which I think it's better than Naruto, and less anime cringe.

Specializes in Psychiatric RN & Retired Psychiatric CNA.
I sometimes saw parents fight on the name of the child, even one wanting to name their kid Naruto. The mother and I said at the same time, "No... just no." We just looked at each other and laughed. I told the dad, if you are going to name your kid after an anime character, use a character that isn't as annoying as Naruto and less cringe, mother agreed. He went with Kai later on, which I think it's better than Naruto, and less anime cringe.

Oh my goodness this is gold!!! Naruto wouldn't have been a good name because there's always that one student that runs like Naruto in school.

Specializes in Cardiology, School Nursing, General.
Oh my goodness this is gold!!! Naruto wouldn't have been a good name because there's always that one student that runs like Naruto in school.

Right?! And it's harder for a Kindergartner to write his name too, Kai is smaller and easier to pronounce too.

Specializes in OB.

I'm a CNM and just started working at a birth center with a much whiter, "crunchier" population than my prior job. I have not been too familiar up until now with essential oils...Oh. My. GOD! People who are into these EOs are INTO them, man. Like, oils-can-cure-anything-under-the-sun into them. I actually had a woman who sells DoTerra oils as a client in labor and the amount of oils in that room was off the chain. She had a whole binder of "recipes" to consult during labor for her husband to mix up and apply to various specific parts of her body for various specific symptoms. They brought a giant carved wooden box with individual little drawers for all of the hundreds of oils, like double the size of a large jewelry box, it was the wildest thing. She kept calling her husband to mix up concoctions of like 5 different oils to put one this one specific square inch on her left forearm to combat one specific complaint. I was sitting there biting my tongue the whole time because all I wanted to do was ask how they came to believe this deeply in the power of EOs...they had really drunk the Kool-Aid and I was just so fascinated by the whole thing. Obviously none of this was dangerous or diving into the occult like your situation, but I definitely felt out of my element.

All of this is to say...patients will surprise you every day, you just have to roll with it. If their quirks are dangerous, you do what you have to do to protect the safety of the situation. If not, you smile and nod.

There are different dressings that are categorized by their respectful tribe such as the shuka for Maasai males or a kitenge that's generally worn by most east/west African women.

Thank you for this. So interesting. FTR I am of Scottish descent. It's a kilt not a skirt.

Specializes in NICU, ICU, PICU, Academia.

Yeah- had a mom who withdrew her kid from oncology care and 'treated' her leukemia with EO. Lied pretty convincingly to the oncology team that they were just "changing locations".

Bottom line: Frankincense does NOT sure leukemia.

The essential oils thing...OMG yes. Patient with pneumonia, in stepdown, cognitively intact and nonambulatory. His daughter a teacher was rubbing some very strong oils all over his chest and back and putting them in a diffuser non-stop. The diffuser would "puff" right in your face! It squirted the hospitalist every time he rounded LOL.

When family was not in the room the patient asked me to make his daughter stop with the oils because it was uncomfortable to breathe.... I packed that diffuser up so quick & scrubbed patient clean. Handed her diffuser back I said the smell was too strong, no volatile scents in hospital, sorry please take it home... Daughter was so mad, oh well, take it up the chain then, my charting says what my patients wishes are. My opinion with these EOs people are attempting to assert some control over situations they dont have any control or expertise over sometimes.

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