Has Philippine nurse training changed over the years?

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"students" ? i think you're on the wrong thread,dear... he he he. i would assume that we are all responsible adults here and as such misswoosie knows what she's getting into.....again, the offer still stands until the employer decides to withdraw it. now,if we're talking about retrogression..then that's a different story.

When you're talking about nursing schools and their paying customers, they're referred to as "students" reread my post again several times maybe it will stick this time.

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I'm just wondering and I have no intention to get into a fight..This might be somewhat off the topic but I don't want to make a new thread.So i understand if moderators will delete this...

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What's with Filipino nurses and philippine nursing that a lot of our dear American friends are so interested about?

I just noticed it.They love hanging out in Phil forums and point again and again and again about how unskillful new nurses are,how our education is far from exemplary, how far we are compared to their NCLEX results, how a lot of us are still dependent to our parents,how foolish we are to dream of america with all the retrogression taking place..

I mean,what's really the bottom line here?:confused:

This americans/amerisians who frequently visits the Phil forum are just showing/expressing their concerns with the alarming number of new Filipino nurses whose skills are really not that good and is still insisting to come over USA and be a part of our health care industry. Americans as we are, we have a strong love for our contrymen, we wouldn't want them to be taken care of by these inefficient nurses coming from a third world country whose nursing education is far from exemplary. It's risky, and we are dealing with people's lives afterall.

I am not generalising, some filipino nurses are best. BUT not all especially nurses of today's generation. I believe that these nurses coming over have the qualifications, such as having the nclex, english proficiency exams etc etc...but this are not sufficient to really determine the real nursing passion of a nurse.

I believe our US Government must look upon this matter closely. Modify the set of criteria for a foreign nurse to come here and work. By merely passing the cgfns,nclex,english exams is not enough. Nursing Skills must also be included in the criteria. If skills assessment is included, im quite sure alot of foreign nurses will fail on this part as most of them are inexperienced.

You guys knows your skills well. If you think you don't deserve to work in USA, then don't go for it. It's a matter of professional conscience versus professional growth. Which ever way, professional conscience must over rule professional growth.

Merry Christmas. Let us not dream for something that is just not possible this time. OR just let me say, let us dream in accordance to our capabilities. Don't dream for something that you're not, or for something that you can't just be. :banghead:

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I'm just wondering and I have no intention to get into a fight..This might be somewhat off the topic but I don't want to make a new thread.So i understand if moderators will delete this...

BUT...

What's with Filipino nurses and philippine nursing that a lot of our dear American friends are so interested about?

I just noticed it.They love hanging out in Phil forums and point again and again and again about how unskillful new nurses are,how our education is far from exemplary, how far we are compared to their NCLEX results, how a lot of us are still dependent to our parents,how foolish we are to dream of america with all the retrogression taking place..

I mean,what's really the bottom line here?:confused:

It all goes back about 18 months. At that time the various forums were flooded by posters from the Phillipines wanting to know how to get to the head of the immigration lines for the US and the various Commonwealth countries. Many posted that these nations should be glad to get such well trained nurses. In their posts they were quite vocal about getting to the head of the line by any means, legal or illegal. Their info blurbs stated "from the nation of nurses" "or land of the best nurses in the world".

Remember these were new grads with no actual employment experience. A few even mentioned that they were coming to our countries to "save" our hospitals. Modest or what? The posters were complaining that the Commonwealth nations wouldn't accept NCLEX--why should they, they are independent nations with their own regulations. Many were quite vocal that they would use any country as a stepping stone to the US. Questions abounded like "is it faster to get into the US from Canada or Australia"

Flash forward, some of the nurses have found employment around the world. Their skills are weak, they don't understand concepts that home produced nurses do, their degrees have been found lacking in some areas when working in North America.

All of which just make nurses in NA and the rest of the world wonder what is happening to the nursing schools over there. The nurses who trained in the Phillipines and have been here for over a decade are a very different type of nurse than what has been produced in the last five years.

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I think that it is not fair to claim or say that graduates of yesteryears are better than new graduates of Philippine Nursing schools. Most of the schools that once produced qualified nurses are still continuing to maintain their excellence. The problem is that, because of the high demand of nurses abroad around the years 2000-2004, many business-minded folks opened up sub-standard Nursing schools. Thus, there were so many nursing students produced but not all of them were really qualified. And because of that, statistics of those who flunked the Nursing exams rose because there were a lot more Nurses produced by these sub-standard schools than before.

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This americans/amerisians who frequently visits the Phil forum are just showing/expressing their concerns with the alarming number of new Filipino nurses whose skills are really not that good and is still insisting to come over USA and be a part of our health care industry. Americans as we are, we have a strong love for our contrymen, we wouldn't want them to be taken care of by these inefficient nurses coming from a third world country whose nursing education is far from exemplary. It's risky, and we are dealing with people's lives afterall.

I am not generalising, some filipino nurses are best. BUT not all especially nurses of today's generation. I believe that these nurses coming over have the qualifications, such as having the nclex, english proficiency exams etc etc...but this are not sufficient to really determine the real nursing passion of a nurse.

I believe our US Government must look upon this matter closely. Modify the set of criteria for a foreign nurse to come here and work. By merely passing the cgfns,nclex,english exams is not enough. Nursing Skills must also be included in the criteria. If skills assessment is included, im quite sure alot of foreign nurses will fail on this part as most of them are inexperienced.

You guys knows your skills well. If you think you don't deserve to work in USA, then don't go for it. It's a matter of professional conscience versus professional growth. Which ever way, professional conscience must over rule professional growth.

Merry Christmas. Let us not dream for something that is just not possible this time. OR just let me say, let us dream in accordance to our capabilities. Don't dream for something that you're not, or for something that you can't just be. :banghead:

were your nursing skills assessed by the U.S. gov't when you were applying?so in a way you're saying,that "YOUR U.S. GOVERNMENT" has the wrong policy with regards to the licensure of nurses? isn't this the same policy you went thru to get to the states?

anything is possible for those who believe,work for it and wait.remember that you were once like these foreign nurses who dreamt of going to the land of milk and honey.i expect more symphaty and support from you,

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Yes,philly. Was there a different assessment/qualification during your time that you have to undergo before going to america?

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Don't dream for something that you're not, or for something that you can't just be

and who are you to say that philly? Just because you are now an "american" and gradauted as a "cum laude" and as a "board topnotcher of your times" ,as you have proudly boasted in another thread,that that give you the right to belittle and prevent people from dreaming?

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To Maui:

I am not saying that I went through a criteria that I am suggesting, the "skills assessment". I have never said that I've gone through any other way. Criterias/qualifications for a nurse to come over here remains the same through the years. That is a fact. But talking about facts, nurses graduated recently is much behind in skills as compared to nurses of yester years. And for that, I suggest US Govt to review/modify the qualification of these NEW nurses who are inefficient but has the courage to dream big. It's about time for re-modification of foreign nurses qualifications. America will be in great danger to consider this people working here.

I am sorry but just because I was once a filipino, that doesn't mean I have to agree with what you people are saying. I am just being truthful. I hate pretentions and false beliefs, it will not make us any better. Keep away from this old filipino attitude.

To Pinkroyalty:

I am not boasting that I graduated from UST, or that I am Cum Laude and a topnotch during my times. When I said so, I just want to proof to everyone that I am not making generalisations, I still believe that few others remains exceptional though they are graduates of recent years. But only FEW in its very literal sense.

I am not understimating newly graduate nurses,nor am I preventing them from dreaming. My only concern is, when you dream for something, then dream for something that is for sure will happen in time. I am not playing GOD to say so, but one doesn't need to be GOD to open her eyest to see what the real world has to offer.

It's Christmas time again. I'm sorry if I am harsh. Happy Holidays though!

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I think that it is not fair to claim or say that graduates of yesteryears are better than new graduates of Philippine Nursing schools. Most of the schools that once produced qualified nurses are still continuing to maintain their excellence. The problem is that, because of the high demand of nurses abroad around the years 2000-2004, many business-minded folks opened up sub-standard Nursing schools. Thus, there were so many nursing students produced but not all of them were really qualified. And because of that, statistics of those who flunked the Nursing exams rose because there were a lot more Nurses produced by these sub-standard schools than before.

Let me see if I understand what you are saying.

The schools that have produced qualified nurses in the past are continuing to do so.

Statistically, the number of nurses who flunk the nursing exams has risen because of the increase in the number of sub-standard nursing schools that have opened. This is basically what you have written, right?

What I don't understand is why you start by saying that it's "not fair" to claim that the graduates of "yesteryears" are better than the new graduates. Of course it's fair! The majority of new grads cannot even pass the NLE! It's nice that there are still some good nursing schools in the Philippines, but apparently most students aren't attending them.

"Has Philippine nurse training changed over the years?" It's pretty obvious that it has. It would be ludicrous to claim otherwise.

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It's unfortunate what's happening here lately.

Members constantly hi-jacking threads and posting off-topic posts and the it's being permitted to be done

Most of the arguments happening here are because some members keeps hi-jacking threads and posting off-topic posts in the first place.

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To Maui:

I am not saying that I went through a criteria that I am suggesting, the "skills assessment". I have never said that I've gone through any other way. Criterias/qualifications for a nurse to come over here remains the same through the years. That is a fact. But talking about facts, nurses graduated recently is much behind in skills as compared to nurses of yester years. And for that, I suggest US Govt to review/modify the qualification of these NEW nurses who are inefficient but has the courage to dream big. It's about time for re-modification of foreign nurses qualifications. America will be in great danger to consider this people working here.

I am sorry but just because I was once a filipino, that doesn't mean I have to agree with what you people are saying. I am just being truthful. I hate pretentions and false beliefs, it will not make us any better. Keep away from this old filipino attitude.

that's what i'm trying to say...if you,yourself went there by going thru the same old process,then why are you trying to change that process?are you afraid that the newly grads will "outskill" you so you want to make it really harder for them to go to the states? have you got conclusive data to prove that nurses that graduated recently are much behind in skills?you can't draw out conclusions from a handful of Filipino nurses that you've met.

don't get me wrong...i'm not a new graduate,i graduated from the same school as you around the same time you did.we might have walked along the halls of the Main bldg. at the same time but someone has to take the cudgels for the poor pinoy nurses.

like you,i've also left the country for greener pastures and acquired another citizenship however i don't consider myself as a Filipino "once". Hey, i am still a Filipino and proud of it.Lastly,where do you get the idea that pretentiousness and false beliefs are old Filipino beliefs? 60 million Filipinos won't be to happy to hear that from an EX-PINOY..:cry:

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Philippine nursing training, i admit has changed and still changing over the years.whether its for the better or for the worse of it really is open to debate.

i've posted before in another thread that you still can get an exemplary nursing education in the Philippines but depending on the school that you go to and i think the same thing applies to whether it has changed for good or for bad. it also depends where you get your training from.

graduates from reputable schools like UST,UERM,UP-PGH are well trained in both theory and skills and are consistent board placers.but if we're talking about a run of the mill,came out of nowhere, nursing school,then you can say that nursing is on a decline.

in a way,the current unemployment situation will serve something good.only the best and the brightest among nurses will get to practice their profession because as the hospitals become spoilt for choice,obviously they will go for the cream of the crop and those who are lacking in knowledge and skills will still be unemployed.sad truth but that's just the way it is...whether its in the local or the global job market..employers will always go for the best and the brightest..

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