Has Philippine nurse training changed over the years?

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"students" ? i think you're on the wrong thread,dear... he he he. i would assume that we are all responsible adults here and as such misswoosie knows what she's getting into.....again, the offer still stands until the employer decides to withdraw it. now,if we're talking about retrogression..then that's a different story.

When you're talking about nursing schools and their paying customers, they're referred to as "students" reread my post again several times maybe it will stick this time.

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When you're talking about nursing schools and their paying customers, they're referred to as "students" reread my post again several times maybe it will stick this time.

your post is definitely out of topic....the thread is about backlog of nurses' application. tell me, where will nursing students come into the equation? obviously, they're not part of the topic since being students, they can't apply yet.

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you're post is definitely out of topic....the thread is about backlog of nurses' application. tell me, where will nursing students come into the equation? obviously, there not part of the topic since being students, they can't apply yet.

If you reread the post several times eventually you will get it.

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If you reread the post several times eventually you will get it.

i don't have to...just answer my simple question and that's the end of it.

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nurse training IS still exemplary in the Philippines.it just depends on which school you get your training from.

At the risk of being "out of topic," as you like to say, I would like to better understand your assertion that nursing education in the Philippines is still "exemplary." Are you merely expressing an opinion...or wishful thinking? If you are presenting this as fact, what data do you have to back it up?

Of Filipino nurses who took the NLE in June, 2008 only 43% passed. :(

In comparison, of the US-educated nurses who took the NCLEX the same year, 82% passed. :yeah:

The abysmal failure rate for nurses sitting for the NLE indicates that nursing education in the Philippines is far from "exemplary." Your own government--along with potential employers abroad--has expressed alarm at the deteriorating quality of the training programs. Perhaps a few schools still produce "exemplary" nurses, but they are few and far between.

What data do you have, Mauiboy, to back up your assertions? Thanks.

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At the risk of being "out of topic," as you like to say, I would like to better understand your assertion that nursing education in the Philippines is still "exemplary." Are you merely expressing an opinion...or wishful thinking? If you are presenting this as fact, what data do you have to back it up?

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What mauiboy is actually trying to say is that while the Philippines has achieved a reputation for being home to over 400 nursing schools many of which are substandard, there still exist a number of nursing schools there that are considered exemplary. The NLE percentage you quoted is the passing rate for ALL examiness who took the NLE. Passing percentages for examinees graduating from the individual nursing schools there show a wide range of numbers with some schools posting a nearly 100% passing rate to some with 0% successful examinees.

For instance, the University of the Philippines - Manila is known for consistently producing graduates with nearly 100% passing rate in the NLE. Other schools such as the University of Santo Tomas (the oldest university in the Philippines and was built by the Spanish years before Harvard University was built in the US) also consistently perform well in the NLE. There are other schools worth mentioning but I would rather direct you to an article from a Philippine daily newspaper called the Manila Bulletin here: http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/06/09/YNCP2005060936495.html

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thanks Pinoy NP. i couldn't have said it any better. :up:

NURSE!NURSE!HELLO!, maybe you can start a thread about this where we can freely discuss the topic that you've raised. i will be more than willing to join you there...:yeah: thanks

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What mauiboy is actually trying to say is that while the Philippines has achieved a reputation for being home to over 400 nursing schools many of which are substandard, there still exist a number of nursing schools there that are considered exemplary. The NLE percentage you quoted is the passing rate for ALL examiness who took the NLE. Passing percentages for examinees graduating from the individual nursing schools there show a wide range of numbers with some schools posting a nearly 100% passing rate to some with 0% successful examinees.

For instance, the University of the Philippines - Manila is known for consistently producing graduates with nearly 100% passing rate in the NLE. Other schools such as the University of Santo Tomas (the oldest university in the Philippines and was built by the Spanish years before Harvard University was built in the US) also consistently perform well in the NLE. There are other schools worth mentioning but I would rather direct you to an article from a Philippine daily newspaper called the Manila Bulletin here: http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/06/09/YNCP2005060936495.html

Thanks for your response, PinoyNP. It's nice to know that there are still nursing schools in the Philippines which produce well-trained nurses.

I was merely pointing out to the other poster that overall, the percentage of nurses who pass the NLE is much, much lower than US nurses who pass the NCLEX. For that reason, the state of nursing education in the Philippines is no longer considered "exemplary" in the way that it once was. As I said--few and far between.

I have worked with many Filipino nurses over the years. The nurses who graduated years ago are great nurses. Unfortunately, many of the more recent graduates are lacking in even the most basic skills. They struggle with skills that should have been mastered in their first semester of clinical rotation!

There is a big problem with nursing education in the Philippines. Rather than acknowledging and addressing the problem, many posters prefer to deny it--still trying to bask in the glory of what was once a good reputation. I still see posters who claim that the Philippines produces "the best nurses in the world." What I don't see is nurses demanding a better quality of education. Pretending that a problem doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

For Filipinos--who have long relied on nursing as source of remittances--to idly stand by while the quality of nursing education diminishes is just plain foolish. Other third-world countries are producing good nurses, and US employers see this. If the Philippines wants to stay competitive, they need to vigorously address the issues which have tarnished its' reputation.

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Thanks for your response, PinoyNP. It's nice to know that there are still nursing schools in the Philippines which produce well-trained nurses.

I was merely pointing out to the other poster that overall, the percentage of nurses who pass the NLE is much, much lower than US nurses who pass the NCLEX. For that reason, the state of nursing education in the Philippines is no longer considered "exemplary" in the way that it once was. As I said--few and far between.

I have worked with many Filipino nurses over the years. The nurses who graduated years ago are great nurses. Unfortunately, many of the more recent graduates are lacking in even the most basic skills. They struggle with skills that should have been mastered in their first semester of clinical rotation!

There is a big problem with nursing education in the Philippines. Rather than acknowledging and addressing the problem, many posters prefer to deny it--still trying to bask in the glory of what was once a good reputation. I still see posters who claim that the Philippines produces "the best nurses in the world." What I don't see is nurses demanding a better quality of education. Pretending that a problem doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

For Filipinos--who have long relied on nursing as source of remittances--to idly stand by while the quality of nursing education diminishes is just plain foolish. Other third-world countries are producing good nurses, and US employers see this. If the Philippines wants to stay competitive, they need to vigorously address the issues which have tarnished its' reputation.

the "other poster" would also like to point out that he wasn't talking about the general state of nursing education in the Phillipines. i still stand by to what i've said. YOU CAN STILL GET EXEMPLARY NURSING EDUCATION IN THE PHILIPPINES DEPENDING ON WHICH SCHOOL YOU GET IT FROM.

i realize and admit that there is a big problem which i reckon is a good topic for discussion.again,i extend my invitation for you to open a thread where we can freely discuss this.thanks

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the "other poster" would also like to point out that he wasn't talking about the general state of nursing education in the Phillipines. i still stand by to what i've said. YOU CAN STILL GET EXEMPLARY NURSING EDUCATION IN THE PHILIPPINES DEPENDING ON WHICH SCHOOL YOU GET IT FROM.

i realize and admit that there is a big problem which i reckon is a good topic for discussion.again,i extend my invitation for you to open a thread where we can freely discuss this.thanks

Nursing Education in the Philippines is no longer like it was during my time. We have to accept this fact kababayans. Even those exemplary schools that you are talking about are also having some lapses now. UST, UP, St. louis, Siliman etc etc was once upon a time consistent in having a perfect or close to perfect rating in NLE, not until recently that they no longer remain consistent in their ranks. Of course they remain to be the top nursing schools, but that doesn't conclusively mean they still remain exemplary all the way. I disagree.

Nursing Faculties during my time are really good. No doubt to that. And also, nursing students years back takes nursing as a course precisely because it's their passion to serve humanity and not for something else. Apparently nowadays, majority of these students are just being force to take this course by their parents or relatives thinking that this will be the easiest way for them to get out of financial burden. students are taking nursing now not because they love it, but because they ought to take it. This is not a good idea. very bad. And I guess this is the reason why NLE passin rate is dropping greatly. Their minds speaks about being a nurse, but not their hearts.

Somehow, I am still thankful that I am a filipino, more thankful that I am a graduate of olden days. :yeah::banghead:

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Nursing Education in the Philippines is no longer like it was during my time. We have to accept this fact kababayans. Even those exemplary schools that you are talking about are also having some lapses now. UST, UP, St. louis, Siliman etc etc was once upon a time consistent in having a perfect or close to perfect rating in NLE, not until recently that they no longer remain consistent in their ranks. Of course they remain to be the top nursing schools, but that doesn't conclusively mean they still remain exemplary all the way. I disagree.

Nursing Faculties during my time are really good. No doubt to that. And also, nursing students years back takes nursing as a course precisely because it's their passion to serve humanity and not for something else. Apparently nowadays, majority of these students are just being force to take this course by their parents or relatives thinking that this will be the easiest way for them to get out of financial burden. students are taking nursing now not because they love it, but because they ought to take it. This is not a good idea. very bad. And I guess this is the reason why NLE passin rate is dropping greatly. Their minds speaks about being a nurse, but not their hearts.

Somehow, I am still thankful that I am a filipino, more thankful that I am a graduate of olden days. :yeah::banghead:

1960's:confused:

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Behave yourself you young pup:chuckle

I have co-workers who graduated in the early 1990s in the Phillipines. There education and experience is far different than the "newish" young grads we got last year. A few of these veteran nurses are shaking their heads at what we've been told by the newcomers about the nurses role, experience and education back "home".

People have to understand that having a child become a nurse isn't a pass to a better life. The government of the Phillipines has to solve problems at home before expecting the world to open their doors and absorb the glut of nurses they have produced.

Nursing in Europe and North America is changing. Funding to schools was cut in the '90s and governments are now trying to fix it. The province I live in opening the doors to nursing education. Instead of a couple of hundred new grads a year, they have increased the places in nursing schools and hope to graduate 1000 plus a year in the very near future. That is in on region, not the province.

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