overheard a CNA badly verbally abusing an elderly patient - page 3

As The Charge Nurse in a facility, where I was passing meds in the hall, and overheard a CNA badly verbally abusing an elderly patient, there was another witness also. TY cyndi_1985... Read More

  1. by   Cyndi_1985
    I don't carry Malpractice insurance though, I only carried that when I was doing Private Duty care. I don't know what to do because I have been so humiliated I would not want that job back anyway, but I did think the labor board or someone could do something, should I call an attorney? I know those 2 CNA's had to have said something very bad about me,, I never ever was still passing meds at midnight from 8pm meds, what a lie. It was the excuse the facility chose to use to fire me,, they knew I knew too much that was going on there, plus they knew they were wrong NOT terminating a CNA that abused a patient. Something to me sounds very fishy, I re checked every bit of paper work I ever did there before leaving, and took very good care of the residents, and was very professional. I am just so hurt to be accused of something I never did, and fired. TY for answering me.
  2. by   morte
    Quote from Cyndi_1985
    I don't carry Malpractice insurance though, I only carried that when I was doing Private Duty care. I don't know what to do because I have been so humiliated I would not want that job back anyway, but I did think the labor board or someone could do something, should I call an attorney? I know those 2 CNA's had to have said something very bad about me,, I never ever was still passing meds at midnight from 8pm meds, what a lie. It was the excuse the facility chose to use to fire me,, they knew I knew too much that was going on there, plus they knew they were wrong NOT terminating a CNA that abused a patient. Something to me sounds very fishy, I re checked every bit of paper work I ever did there before leaving, and took very good care of the residents, and was very professional. I am just so hurt to be accused of something I never did, and fired. TY for answering me.
    you now have come across one of the reasons to carry it! yes, try to find an attorney,,,also file for unemployment....sometimes when they have to offer proof of your misdeed....they cant.....good luck
  3. by   Cyndi_1985
    Quote from Moogie
    What's confusing is that there are two rather similar incidents, both associated with abuse, that are being discussed on this thread. The OP was Cyndi_1985, who reported verbal abuse immediately to her ADON and is frustrated because her facility has a reputation for not dealing appropriately with CNAs who have done something wrong. She reported the incident right away to her ADON and was told to send the CNA home immediately. The problem was that the CNA apparently was only suspended, not fired, and has a history not only of verbal abuse, but also of other actions that have put residents at harm.

    The second poster to discuss abuse was Chanta2, who witnessed possible sexual abuse and was terminated because she did not report the incident to her DON as soon as it occurred. She posted that she did not report the abuse to the DON until 10 PM that evening (the incident occurred at 4 AM.) She stated that her termination was only "good" for a year and that as soon as she was eligible for rehire she was planning to return to the facility. Something doesn't seem right about that---I can understand someone being written up or even suspended for waiting to report abuse but termination? She did report the abuse (albeit 18 hours after it happened.) I don't know; it just sounds rather harsh to me.

    I agree with other posters that abuse of a vulnerable adult is heinous and should be reported ASAP to a shift manager, the DON, the social worker, ombudsman or the local law enforcement agency. No one among us would want anything like this to happen to someone we loved. On the other hand, how many nurses wait days or even weeks before reporting abuse? How many look away, never report anything and pretend the abuse never happened? How many nurses are reluctant to report abuse because they fear the alleged perpetrators will not be appropriately disciplined or that they themselves will end up being punished? It's not right but unfortunately, sometimes it's reality.
    I tried to E mail you but I can't. TY so much for the advise. I am kind of just in shock today,, I would like to talk to you. I think I can't E mail you because I am not a premium member. IDK, but it just didn't work, and right now without a job I can't pay to be a premium member,, I am giving you my E mail address, so Please E mail me, I don't care who sees it, I would like to talk to another Nurse that is concerned for me. I Thank you so much. here is my E mail,, oI will E mail you back, >>> cjbrant84@gmail.com. Thanks again!
  4. by   nursel56
    Really sorry this happened to you, Cyndi_1985. That place is corrupt from the top down, it sounds like. Again, thoughts, prayers all I have to offer. You need to really reach out to supportive friends, family, church, at this time whatever you decide to do.
    ((((cyndi))))
  5. by   Cyndi_1985
    Thank you so much, and God bless You
  6. by   Aviationurse
    cindi...same boat as you....fired for nothing in nursing home....see my post on cold blooded administration.....3 weeks after incident and no job.....called lawyer and decided not to pursue case because he wants money...how can i pay when i have no job?
    right now, i am hanging on to dear life......been a hospital nurse x 16 years....never realized nursing home is this bad......sending you pm...
  7. by   Cyndi_1985
    Oh lord,,, I feel so bad for you also. I am so sorry. Us Nurses seem to go through way too much, I never knew after being a Nurse since 1985 that it has got this bad. I never ever went through this,, I thought it was the state I live in now. Maybe not! You will find a job,, hang in there, God bless you, and if you want to E-mail me,, do so anytime, >>> cjbrant84@gmail.com. I will pray for you.
  8. by   caliotter3
    Cyndi

    So sorry to hear this has happened to you. You will be able to use the PM function once you have posted 15 times. I am sending you a PM.
  9. by   Cyndi_1985
    Anyone that wants to E mail me Please feel fee to do so,, I don't care. I can not E mail anyone from this site from a private message, and I think it is because I am not a Premium member. So, anyway,, I have received several Private messages that I can't respond to,, feel free anytime to e mail me @ cjbrant84@gmail.com,, and God Bless all of you who have been so supportive to me. Cyndi~~
  10. by   Chanta2
    Sorry, this has come down to you losing your job. I am sending you a PM.
  11. by   softstorms
    You did the right thing by addressing it with the right people. In most states, it is manditory to remove the person from the job for 3 days while they are investigated. The statements both you and your co-workers document about the incident will make a difference in the outcome.
  12. by   Cyndi_1985
    Okay,,, as a lot of you have read I was fired for turning in a CNA for abusing a patient, they kept her, and fired me. Two years ago at the same facility {I was not working there then} a CNA took a patient in the shower room , stripped him down nude, took pictures of him from his cell phone camera, and circulated then around the internet, he was not fired either,, then someone got word of it from the outside, called The State and he was then fired. Well, it has been 2 weeks I was fired,, I have went to several job interviews, and have not been able to get hired anywhere. I do not put down {ofcourse that I was fired nor do I use then for a reference} Now my problem is,, they are all telling me I would not be a good candiadate for a Nurse at their facility because I had stayed home to raise my daughters, and have not worked a while. But I read all these job postings {and I am not saying anything against new graduates} but I read where all these places want to hire, and will train new grads, now as a Nurse for 20 years, when I graduated I didn't know Squat, book smart was it,, we didn't get that much clinical training to walk onto a floor and take right over,, so why are places willing to hire a new grad, but not a Nurse that just wanted to stay home to raise her daughters, and now wants to get back into Nursing? Is anyone else finding it hard to get a job because they took a break for a while? I don't see where this is fair at all,, I was fired for seeing abuse to a patient, {along with another CNA that witnessed it, got fired}, now every job interview I go to, I am being told I was out of Nursing too long,,and wouldn't be able to do the job because of that,,, I don't now what to do,,I am traveling over 50 to 60 miles to find a job so I know the facility isn't black balling me, but I feel chastised because I stayed at home, and raised my girls, I don't understand, does anyone have any answers for me? I need to support my family, my 2 girls are still at home,, just older now, and I am a single parent, Why are they saying there is a shortage of Nurses? I have kept up with everything, meds change everyday,{so you can not even go by that} and to reactivate my license I had to take 3 online exams that are required every 4 years. I didn't forget anything, and I am in shock, I went to Nursing school, and had worked a s Nurse for a very long time before I had my girls, so what is up with this. I am so depressed. Thanks cyndi
  13. by   geriNurse1
    I am so sorry! You are in my prayers!
    Have you tried the home health agencies? private duty? Factories? Doctors offices? Public Health?
    You did the right thing! But if you haven't reported to facility to the State yet, it needs to be - or call the Elder Abuse Hot line. They need to be investigated and possibly closed!
    Last edit by geriNurse1 on Jun 21, '09

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