Why the nurses get no respect... - page 3

Hello, everyone. I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to... Read More

  1. by   Katnip
    What's really frightening here Dave, is you seem to think that once you're a nurse you will know everything and never have to ask questions. That what you learn in school or read in journals will be enough.

    Facility policiy and procedures change every day. Nurses are floated or they move on their own to new specialties. New drugs are always introduced. If nurses don't ask questions, get second opinions, or back up, sooner or later a patient will be harmed.
  2. by   Tweety
    Points well taken.

    Just be carful of approaching your career with such a judgemental attitude or you'll be very frustrated. Just concentrate on doing the best you can every day for your patients. You are looking at all the negatives. Gee if that's how you feel about nursing, find another career and fast.

    Find a positive place to work that you can grow.

    Leave the rest. Rise above it. But careful about the "I've just graduated with a BSN and I'm so smart, and I'm so much holier than thou.."

    (There is so much information out there. I am a sponge to new grads, asking them questions that yes I should know, but forgot or want up to date information on.....) (I may not be the smartest, but I get plenty of respect.)

    Good luck.
    Last edit by Tweety on Jun 21, '03
  3. by   nowplayingEDRN
    *a deep, proper curtsie to Gwenith and Sim*

    I could not have put it any better or written any more passionately about the comments made that opened this thread to begin with. I would like to add the following few thoughts:

    A) I wear scrubs. They are not loud and obnoxious, they are a very reserved shade of navy blue and I top them with brightly printed jackets. Those brightly coloured jackets get me more compliments and thank yous from the patients and have assissted in calming down more distraught children than you will ever know. A cheerful, pleasant pattern can go a long way to calming fears and brightening spirits that are weighted down by fear, anguish and sadness. My tennis shows (sneakers) are designed to provide my tootsies and back with maximum comfort and are kept clean. See, if I am not comfy while on my feet, do yu really think I am gonna take good care of you and be able to think clearly and concisely??? Oh HELLNOOOOOOOOOooooo! Do not judge the whole barrel by 1 or 2 rotten apples you have stumbled across. (PS: I started out wear whites and a cap....and I am neater, cleaner and more professional looking that i was in the begining of my career)

    B) I have lost track of the times that I have "eaten" over time and worked unpaid because a patient was in need, or called from home to make sure that someone addressed the doctor about the concerns of my patient. My family has gone many, many hours with out their wife and mother because I have a dedication and passion for what I do.

    No, it is never perfect, where ever you go and tere will always be something that is a proverbial thorn in your side.....yes, we are all guilty of grumbling and grousing but it is a way to vent so that we do not carry the negative feelings to the bed side. Yes, you may hear us complain that we are not getting paid enough or that doctor so-and-so is rude and the patient in room such-and-such is a PIA but it is like the release valve on a pressure cooker.....we must release some steam or we will explode...for we are human and we take our profession very seriously and sometimes in a very personal way....if we did not vent we would self desruct in less than 10 seconds. I am one of the nurses yu will find deep in the infastructure of nursing....I am a Critical Care/Recovery Room/Emergency Room Nurse...I am proud of the fact that I have taken my basic knowledge and fine tuned it into a specialty......it is challenging, stressful and rewarding.....I learn at every opportunity I can get, even if I do not commit to furthering my Associates Degree.....there are other methodes of learning and I obtained my Associates while caring for 2 babies and a spouse (as I am sure others have done as well). That in and of it's self was a challenge. Yes, I have heard nurses ask questions that make me very afraid and question their competency but I would rather that the nurse ask a "dumb,ignorant" question than to be foolish, not ask and kill someone.

    I would strongly reccommend that you rethink your opinion, Sir....take your shovel and start filling in the deep fox hole that you have dug for your self so quickly in such a short time on the front lines of a war that you have not even been enlisted to fight. You would do better to go into this profession with an open mind, heart and soul....keep your eyes and ears open and your biased, hostile opinions to your self. You might be surprised at how much you will learn and what great friends and co-workers you will make in the process.
  4. by   nowplayingEDRN
    PS: if not for my warped, sarcastic and twisted humor I would never be able to continue to function in the setting I have chosen. As for respect......it is something that must be earned and when you do earn it....You will have the most loyal of supporters in those, who's respect you have earned. And with that earned respect...comes being treated by a professional.

    But you are entitled to your opinions and I am not obligated to agree or like them.
  5. by   -jt
    <Another thing I've observed is that many nurses complain, complain, complain...>

    Part of that is just venting so we dont take it all home with us. More than that is a symptom of a bigger problem - low morale & burnout. You have to look past the symptom & identify the cause before you can treat it. If you did so, you would probably find that the nurses at your facility are not well-treated or well-paid, are overwhelmed with unmanageable, unsafe working conditons that put them & their pts at risk, and they feel powerless to change the situation. Many nurses are walking away from the job because of that, but a lot have no choice but to stay and put up with up the abuse - and the result is the symptoms you mentioned. I am so tired of hearing people complain about nurses "poor attitudes" while they are working in abusive, oppressive, dangerous environments. How the hell do people expect them to behave when they are getting beaten up all day?

    The apparent culture of disrepect of nurses at your facility has much to do with the nurses dissatisfaction. That dissatisfaction results in low moral. Instead of writing the nurses off as chronic complainers, look at the management practices of the facility to see WHY their nurses are manifesting symptoms of dissatisfaction, low moral, and burn out. If the problem is to be fixed, management has to change those practices that are causing it.

    If your pt had a temp of 103, would you just give Tylenol & walk away, or would you say hey wait a minute, whats going on here? And find out WHY the pt has that temp? As a nurse you'll have to do more than just observe because many times, things are not always what they seem at first glance.

    I realize you are a student and you still have a lot to learn but understand from now that bedside nursing is NOT just a "supportive role" today and we are not the doctors handmaidens that we were in previous centuries.

    BTW, Ill go back to starched white dresses and maids' caps the day that men nurses start wearing them too.

    (How easy for them to tell us what we should be wearing when they themselves have never had to work, bend, stretch, lift, pull, etc in such a get-up.)

    Good luck with your CRNA.
    Last edit by -jt on Jun 21, '03
  6. by   gwenith
    Originally posted by daveFL
    The sarcasm in some of these posts are exactly what I was talking about in my original comment about the negative attitudes towards nursing from some nurses. This is why I don't undertand why so many RNs complain about their jobs. Nurses today are no different from the ones of years ago...essentially, they're still cleaning the patient's pee-pee and poop, giving medications, doing assessments, and taking orders from doctors and NPs. That's always been a part of the job that will never change whether you're wearing white or the most hideous scrubs.

    As one nurse manager in my hospital puts it, the worst offfenders and the biggest complainers always find a way to blame the horrible state of the nursing profession on somebody else besides themselves. Its never about them or their attitude, they always try to make it about the hospitals, the doctors, other nurses, or the patients...always trying to find some fault that they can complain about or criticize. And they walk around with all this false pride about how long they've been a nurse, as if that excuses them from incompetence and sloth. The fact that a person has been a nurse for 10 or even 20 years doesn't necessarily mean that that person is a good nurse, and I've seen that with my own eyes.

    For the person who says wearing a clean white uniform makes a nurse look like a bimbo, well... I guess only so much can be said for cleanliness and self respect. Evidently, these qualities mean different things to different people.

    But, to each, his own. Right?
    I am sorry you feel thout our considered and erudite rebuttals of your orignal post were "sarcastic". I answered as I did because I considered your post to be deliberately inflamatory.

    I wonder whether you would have the temerity to post on a Bulletin Board dedicated to teachers and tell them that you in essence consider them to be the authors of thier own professional problems because they no longer wear reading glasses and lace - up shoes. Would you go to a bulletin board for police and tell them that the reason they have lost respect is that they are no longer crew cut and worse there are women in thier ranks!! You are on a nursing bulletin board deriding nurses to nurses do not be surprised if we respond to defend our profession and our own professionalism.

    Once again though I note you have leveled accusations without giving specifics. Who on this thread has been sarcastic, complained and made negative comments?

    As for cleaning pee-pee and poop. Yes I clean patients when they have defecated and urinated but I also maintain thier ventilation, monitor thier vital signs, administer medications and evaluate responses to therapy and interventions and by heaven I also do my fair share of guiding new medical staf in performance of thier duties. It is called providing holistic care.

    Provide specific instances of your allegations and we will listen and where possible enlighten you. Make general negative comments and expect the responses you have recieved.
  7. by   sbic56

    Great post. Loved especially how you note how anyone can give a negative, unqualified assessment to the problems within any given profession. You're good!
  8. by   plumrn
    Excellent replies. Nothing else to add that hasn't already been said so well. No one should condemn another, without first having walked in their (nursing) shoes.
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    wow---- such great replies I cannot add much to. I will just say this:

    Dave, you need to walk oh....about 2000 miles in my so-called "stinky sneakers", as you put it so deftly, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE REAL RIGHT IN MY EYES TO EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REAL-WORLD NURSING IS ABOUT.

    Til then, you need to remember this, especially in nursing and medicine: A CLOSED mouth will never hold a foot in it!

    Best of luck to you. I mean it.
  10. by   NurseJacqui
    I wore a little white dress and a little white cap and little white stockings and little white shoes through nursing school and I felt like a jackass. I really felt as though no one took me seriously, including the patients. They were more interested in my uniform than in my abilities. The nurses in our hospital have a dress code, either all white or a specific color. No prints are allowed. It is not often followed though and some just wear plain blue scrubs. I agree some nurses look less than professional but that should not reflect on the profession as a whole, but rather on the individual. My problem is that half of the employees do not wear ID, including agency nurses. So you don't know if they are an RN, an LPN or the housekeeper. I feel the patient has the right to know who is taking care of them and what their position is.
    Last edit by NurseJacqui on Jun 21, '03
  11. by   sbic56
    I wore a little white dress and a little white cap and little white stockings and little white shoes through nursing school and I felt like a jackass.
    That really struck me funny. :chuckle I think it is an initiation type thing; I agree it is downright embarrassing .:imbar
  12. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Originally posted by UntamedSpirit
    *a deep, proper curtsie to Gwenith and Sim*

    I would strongly reccommend that you rethink your opinion, Sir....take your shovel and start filling in the deep fox hole that you have dug for your self so quickly in such a short time on the front lines of a war that you have not even been enlisted to fight. You would do better to go into this profession with an open mind, heart and soul....keep your eyes and ears open and your biased, hostile opinions to your self. You might be surprised at how much you will learn and what great friends and co-workers you will make in the process.
    Excellent post!

    Dave will find out for himself...the HARD way!

    Maybe he'll do what so many other nurses do, who find that the reality of the pt acuity, work-loads and working conditions are too much for them...go into managment.
    Last edit by Hellllllo Nurse on Jun 21, '03
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    What is most distressing is that there seemed to be no concern for the patients.
    Why does a hosptal exist? Why are patients admitted to a hospital?
    Nothing else. All else is available at a hotel and as an outpatient.
    Who is with the patient when the doctor is not?

    Who assesses, plans nursing care, intervenes (whether to save a life or for comfort), re evaluates the effectiveness of the interventions, advocates for the best interests of the patient, and coordinates the care?
    Who prevents 86% of medication errors made by pharmacy or the physician?
    The patient advocate is the NURSE!
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Jun 21, '03