Where are the men? - page 3
Why haven't more men entered the field of nursing over the years? Nursing remains at 94.6% female.... Read More
Aug 1, '03"Plus men want a career that they can support a family with, nursing isn't that career"
are you talking about pay or time? Some places in Canada pay really good, like Sk where I"m from. The pay isn't bad, you start at around $24/h for new grads. maybe $23. I know a few nurses that make more than enough money
Aug 1, '03a man here. with just a few opinions.
i work in an icu that has 18 guys out of 26 nurses. female nurse manager, she is much better than the male one we had before. those nurses who are the most "squeaky" (as in squecky wheels) are females. when all men work together, teamwork is the norm not the exception. females, complain how busy they were all day but yet most of the work goes undone (at my facility, NOT everywhere). i have worked parttime jobs where the nurses would let you drown vs lend a hand, never had it happen when i worked parttime with men. i got into nursing to go to crna school. many men use nursing to do the same, or sell drugs or orthapedic supplies etc.
men do not like to be talked down to. this often causes problems because when it happens the male wont take any #@#, so the md complains to nursing director, who complains to nurse manager who comes down on you. only when you are stone cold right do you have any recourse, sometimes that doesnt even matter, you have a bad attitude lable is already attached. if you stand up for yourself against coworkers or management your a bully, or once again have a bad attitude.
everyone talks about the nursing organizations and what they do. i have never seen where they impact the nurse at the bedside. how about all nursing orgaizations come togther under one umbrella like the ama and use that size and potential voting block to lobby for better conditions, patient ratios etc. there seems to be little organization at the national level.
just my thoughts, please dont feel offended i'm just speaking from my experience.
Aug 2, '03A perfect example of why men don't stay in nursing:
We had to call a pulmonologist in after hours the other night. He was doing his usual scapegoating, bytching to the staff, complaining he had to come in, nitpicking us to death, etc. My male coworker (an excellent contract nurse) heard him carrying on at me in the room and walked in. I was ignoring the doc for the most part, setting up for Swan, Aline, stabilizing the patient, etc.
John said to him "Ya know, when I'm on call, I just come in and get to work. How come you get to make those big oncall bucks then come in here and act like a jackazz when we're just doing our job?"
The doc was stunned and John is MY hero!! I had gotten into a rut, ignoring jerky docs. He said what should have been said. Guys get sick of putting up with this stuff day after day though, and he is already planning his exit from nursing, and it's too bad, cuz he's one heck of a nurse.
If we had more men in our field I believe our profession would get better just from their mere presence. So welcome, guys, and hope ya stay!
Aug 2, '03Right on to John! :kiss Good for him for speaking up on your behalf! Women need to take a strong stand in that direction and speak up for ourselves. We are still more than a little intimidated around men in positions of power.....like doctors with big heads as big as their you know whats.
Another reason for having more males in nursing is because simply......we need men at home and at work. Goes back to my original thread comments about men being designed to be our "umbrella" of protection...a shield over us in times such as this.........men relate to men better.....women sometimes relate to women better.......although men seem to relate to me and I them better than any woman relates to me or me them.
Aug 2, '03Excellent discussion in this post.
I almost look forward to dealing with these types of things as a Male.
Working as a caregiver now with all women expect one male... I have good experience with working with women. I love women of all shapes,sizes,ages so much that I cannot wait to work with them.
Although, I do find women somewhat harder to work with in general. You never know what kinda response you will get from the ones I work w/ and they are not as likely to help on a consistent basis compared to the males I have worked with. And the gossip,bickering and overall snappiness of them is pretty funny, in a crazy kinda way!
Aug 2, '03As an SPN of course I have not had experience in working as a nurse with male or female, but find my fellow students who are female extremely helpful and easy to get along with.
I did work in an Industrial plant for several years alongside many females who were treated as equal to the males - equal work and equal pay for all regardless of gender - My personal dealings as a male of working with and for a female is basically they are all the same to me - I had coworkers of both genders who were very helpful and those who were, for lack of a better word just simply asses, both genders had those who were hard workers and those who were as lazy as a person can be - In other words, basically in the workplace to me all are equal and seperate themselves in my view by what they do or do not do
The same goes for working for a female, to me it doesn't matter to me who is over me as long as they don't just know their "stuff" (meaning knowing not just what I am having to do but also know how to do it themselves) but also KNOW HOW TO BE A SUPERVISOR!!! Having people work under you can be a huge challenge because it doesn't just mean being in charge of someone but more working with them IMO! Not everyone can do it successfully.
I honestly have seen more women who have a stronger gender bias as far as working under a male/female supervisor - Many I have discussed this with stated they would much rather work for a male supervisor than a female one - Not all, by any means but many.
Aug 2, '03Our local ADN program graduates 20% males. My pre req classes have had plenty of guys. Interesting fact is the different career paths guys and women take going in to nursing. The women usually either were homemakers and are going back to school now that the kids are bigger or are working up from being MAs or CNAs. The guys are really something: they come from all different areas. Last semester we had a retired cop, a local building contractor, a military guy and a former accountant who now sprays bugs for a living....just to name a few. BTW most of these guys are NOT the gay stereotype. I hope the former cop has my back in the ER some day.
Aug 2, '03I don't think we need to be concerned with getting more men into the profession. They don't stay at the bedside, where most of the abuse takes place, for very long. Plus, I think they are given an unfair advantage when they compete against females for management positons, soley due to gender.
Aug 2, '03Geeg!!! I am shocked that you would write such a thing!!
I started nursing 18 years ago. This thread kind of tells my life story in terms of being a nurse. I listened to many comments such as, "When are you going to medical school?" "This is just a stepping stone to medical school isn't it?" "Are you gay, only gay guys are nurses?" "Why are you doing women's work?"
Also being disrespected and looked down on by physicians, treated like an idiot by physicians, labeled as a trouble-maker because I did not just sit back and take it from the doctors. I stood up for myself and was vocal about things that just weren't right. I also witnessed entire staffs of all-but-me-female disintegrate and implode on themselves via gossip, vicious character assassination, petty fighting, telling on each other, and my all time favorite--writing each other up for the most idiotic and petty reasons.
Also saw, and still do, power hungry women flirting with doctors, bossing the other women around and throwing their weight around, gloating in all their power and glory (boy are they out of touch with reality--power and glory of a unit nurse manager?!?!).
I have felt, and known, at times that I did not get promoted because I WAS A MALE in a female dominated profession. I did leave nursing once because I was sick of everything that has been described in the thread. But I returned and went on to obtain a graduate degree and higher levels of responsibility and authority.
I love healthcare, I love hospital settings, I love everything about the concept of healthcare. There have been days I absolutely hated nursing and nurses in general because of all of the stuff as described in this thread.
When will we unite, join our association, organize ourselves, pull together, quit tearing each other down, and exert our power to find our rightful place in the healthcare system folks?????????
I have to comment as well that at first, I loved working with all those women. More times than not I was the only male in the bunch. When I was younger, single, and a little wilder, I had more dates than I can remember, it was great!! But after a few years, it began to really grate on my nerves, couldn't take it. Now it is OK because I work equally with men and women. Hate to say it but men seem to work together much better. If there is a problem, us guys usually just say it to each other's face and get it over with, either talk it out or fight it out but get over it and past it.
Aug 2, '03Male RN here, wifes a rn , moms a rn . I 've worked er and icu both full time and as agency. i find i get treated far better than my female counterparts as a rule. primarily because i am professional , secondly because i take crap from no one!! i have encouraged many friends and family members both male and female to go into nursing. i enjoy my job, enjoy helping others but primarly im in it for the money. i only do agency work now . i think nursing is a great field for men ...we tend to move up faster and get better assingments ie;er and icu. down side is i get every pt over 300lbs and all the violent or inoxicated jerks . as a guy you gotta take the good w/the bad...
Aug 3, '03I just graduated from an ADN program in Mich. I was one of 3 male students out of 40...talk about being outnumbered! Our instructors were pretty good at not using the pronoun "she" or "her" when speaking about nursing in general. Now that I am working at a small hospital, I am one of 5 male nurses on my unit out of a total of 25 nurses! I think nurse recruiters should adjust their thinking and start targeting young highschool males to get them thinking about a career in nursing.