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pixierose said:
Oh goody. He retired.

He seems quite blasé about the whole thing in the article and seems to place the blame on the nurses: "they don't seem to know the dangers of alarm fatigue ..."

There is never, ever an excuse to put your hands on someone, never mind strangling someone to the point of unconsciousness.

There needs to be more outrage. This should not be a norm.

Yeah, what a strange thing to say. I don't think anyone knows the dangers of alarm fatigue as well as nurses do!

I'm also a little surprised at some of the passes given to him on this thread.

Only the people who work with him know if this was a mental snap or if he is known for jerkish behavior. Whatever it was, he doesn't need to be doing his job anymore.

He didn't have "any intention"... Intention for what? Letting go of her neck? Letting her live?

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Specializes in ER.

Well, it does sound like a mental breakdown of some sort to me. People sometimes snap unexpectedly, losing all rationality.

We don't know much about the history of this guy. Maybe he was always erupting with anger and went much further this time. Or maybe he had quietly gone through his career, had a mental break and suddenly snapped.

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Emergent said:
Well, it does sound like a mental breakdown of some sort to me. People sometimes snap unexpectedly, losing all rationality.

We don't know much about the history of this guy. Maybe he was always erupting with anger and went much further this time. Or maybe he had quietly gone through his career, had a mental break and suddenly snapped.

Yeah???

Let's see if he would choke out a DOC. Or a male nurse.

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Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.

I would have kicked him in the jewels, repeatedly. Holy crow, I am stunned by this! How awful for that nurse. He needs incarceration or therapy. Both. Incarcertherapy. You lay hands on me and I am going full ginger-snap.

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Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant.
Jedrnurse said:
Unfortunately given the state of our country these days, "outrage fatigue" is more prevalent than "alarm fatigue"...

Sadly, I agree. Plus, I can be outraged even if I don't march down the street and yell and scream....or type in ALL CAPS, I suppose.

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psu_213 said:
Sadly, I agree. Plus, I can be outraged even if I don't march down the street and yell and scream....or type in ALL CAPS, I suppose.

I have enough for us all.

It isn't the lack of caps. It is the excuses for why the perp may have done it that is grinding my gears.

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Should've retired Oct 7th.

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Specializes in Rehab/LTC.

Quoted from the article ,"I just didn't mean to hurt her."

That to me shows intent. He strangled her but "didn't mean to hurt her".

What did he want to do? Shut her up? Force her to comply to his wants?

He needs to be locked up. I don't care what his rationale is, it's never okay to physically attack someone.

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Farawyn said:
It isn't the lack of caps. It is the excuses for why the perp may have done it that is grinding my gears.

For me, the idea that "he snapped" is more of an explanation that an excuse. I think he did snap, but that does not excuse his behavior, and he deserves every bit of punishment he gets--probably more.

Was there an anger issue before or a history of borderline behavior that people let go as "oh, that is just the way Dr. So-and-so is." The lesson for other places is if you see this behavior escalating, stop him/her right there before they "snap." If there was that H/O angry behavior, than it is everyone's fault--nurses, admin, fellow doctors, etc.--for not stepping in sooner to prevent something like this.

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psu_213 said:
For me, the idea that "he snapped" is more of an explanation that an excuse. I think he did snap, but that does not excuse his behavior, and he deserves every bit of punishment he gets--probably more.

Was there an anger issue before or a history of borderline behavior that people let go as "oh, that is just the way Dr. So-and-so is." The lesson for other places is if you see this behavior escalating, stop him/her right there before they "snap." If there was that H/O angry behavior, than it is everyone's fault--nurses, admin, fellow doctors, etc.--for not stepping in sooner to prevent something like this.

By all accounts he was "a great guy."

I know this may be hitting some people in the feel because of certain past situations pertaining to AN, but come on. Come ON.

He choked a nurse because she told him what to do.

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smf0903 said:
I can't even wrap my head around this one.

Anesthesiologist Charged In Strangulation Of Nurse

smf0903, I've asked the mods to combine this thread with Emergent's on the same topic.

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Specializes in ER.

As a side note: I do agree with him about turning the monitors off that are not in use, which is what it sounds like from the article. I also wonder about these monitors taking 2 to 3 minutes to restart.

Ours take a few seconds to turn on. I wonder how long this monitor controversy had been brewing? Even if they do take that long to reboot, a recovery nurse can certainly anticipate a patient.

All not to excuse this incident, but trying to dig deeper...

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