Socialised Medicine the myths and the facts - page 20

The first and the most obvious concern is the cost to the patient and their family, we all know how devastating an illness can be for patients and their family many times I have witnessed the despair... Read More

  1. by   nurseguysfinishfirst
    Have you seen that line of people trying to get out of the USA so that they can live in Europe ?
    .....................Me either ! One heck of a line trying to get IN here FROM Europe though !
    We will see if this one posts !
  2. by   XB9S
    Quote from nurseguysfinishfirst
    Have you seen that line of people trying to get out of the USA so that they can live in Europe ?
    .....................Me either ! One heck of a line trying to get IN here FROM Europe though !
    We will see if this one posts !
    Maybe you should pop over to the international section and read some of the posts in there then, there seems to be quite a few nurses in the US who would love to work in Europe.
  3. by   nurseguysfinishfirst
    Lived here for 50 years.......Been a nurse for 35.................Never heard of one going to Europe for a nursing job.
    Please show me one !
  4. by   XB9S
    Quote from nurseguysfinishfirst
    Lived here for 50 years.......Been a nurse for 35.................Never heard of one going to Europe for a nursing job.
    Please show me one !
    Of course

    https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom...ng-372855.html

    https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom...nt-379887.html

    https://allnurses.com/united-kingdom...le-341984.html

    That's just the first page on the UK forums
  5. by   nurseguysfinishfirst
    Not one of these people that you listed are currently working in Europe. Who know how soon they will be back here. American hospitals have thousands upon thousands of people who came THROUGH Europe or FROM Europe,crossed an ocean,traversed immigration,started in jobs way below their education and experience.........all to work in an American hospital. I personally have met many. Why would you do all of that ? I have asked.
    More OPPORTUNITY for ME AND MY CHILDREN ! Walk into any hospital in the US and you can meet them too.
  6. by   nurseguysfinishfirst
    I did look at your blog Sherrie. You seem to be a great person and a great nurse. You should come to the US to work. We snatch up good help as quickly as we find it...........no government red tape involved !
  7. by   XB9S
    Quote from nurseguysfinishfirst
    Not one of these people that you listed are currently working in Europe. Who know how soon they will be back here. American hospitals have thousands upon thousands of people who came THROUGH Europe or FROM Europe,crossed an ocean,traversed immigration,started in jobs way below their education and experience.........all to work in an American hospital. I personally have met many. Why would you do all of that ? I have asked.
    More OPPORTUNITY for ME AND MY CHILDREN ! Walk into any hospital in the US and you can meet them too.
    I think you need to read Lauritasols account a little more carefully, she is a US citizen who is currently working in the UK, there are plenty of others that want to come and work here in those links

    Additionally, from personal experience, I am a recruiter in the NHS and I regularly get applications from US nurses to come and work in my area in the UK. Their reasons for wanting to come, opportunity for myself and my family, and to experience other cultures.

    I am not saying that people don't travel and want to work in the US, personally it's not something I would ever want to do, I have ample opportunity and an excellent standard of living here in the UK. Do you honestly believe that there are not US nurses who don't want to travel and work in Europe.
  8. by   XB9S
    Quote from nurseguysfinishfirst
    I did look at your blog Sherrie. You seem to be a great person and a great nurse. You should come to the US to work. We snatch up good help as quickly as we find it...........no government red tape involved !
    That's really kind but as I've just posted I love my job, I love where I live and I have a really good life here so couldn't think of anything worse than uprooting and living anywhere other than here.
  9. by   elkpark
    Sharrie, you're wasting your breath (your typing) -- people who think like NGFF have already made up their minds and aren't interested in any evidence that conflicts with their opinions.
  10. by   MamaKitty13214
    Quote from 1a2s3d
    Yes, I am well aware of the "poo poo" of John Rawls through my studies of John Locke. Redistribution, free handouts, and bringing the poor up on the backs of others who've earned it through their sweat and hard work. Yes, I'm well aware of his NONSENSE and the ultimately unsustainable concepts that he wrote about. But at least you know where your MARXISTS AND SOCIALISTS beliefs come from. You're the exception and not the rule like so many others on this website who take marching from the ANA and other intellectual midgets who spew this "poo poo".
    1a2s3d -- you are channeling Glenn Beck. I think you have been watching too much of him.
  11. by   MaritesaRN
    Quote from MedSurg32RN
    All I know from my very credible( Phi Beta Kappa, Honors Graduate, Masters degree in Clinical Research, and now Medical Student) daughter is she presented herself to several emergency rooms and was turned away from the person who sits at the desk. One did tell her a place to buy crutches ( without any instruction). She was in Melbourne and she was originally staying in Sydney. I believe she went to one in Melbourne and the second in Sydney. I would not know how I would find a GP in Australia, obviously She didn't I guess she and I are not as smart as you Ghilbert. I know when she was sick with a fever and I had the University intervene it took them half a day to find a GP to see her. I guess the University is not as smart as you either. As I had posted previously she had access to the credit line on my credit card and we could have transferred money in a minute.

    I have to add my daughter prior to this had traveled to Europe, Asia, and Africa alone as a teenager to visit my sister, so she is well traveled and not naive but obviously stupider than the average Australian according to you. She is a healthy person and has no medical issues other than running a high fever when sick.

    Not only did I find this practice horrible but heartless. I did work for an insurance company at one point in my career and the insurance company often flew patients home since they felt the care rendered in Australia was below par. It was the insurance company's policy not to fly people home sick to air vac home was more expensive than treatment abroad but the care had to be equal to local care.

    Also in my 30 years of professional practice I have never seen a patient turned away. I have never seen another nurse or doctor turn a patient away this is 3 times more evidence my 3o years verses your ten.. Using your logic since YOU find it hard to believe my story, the this does not happen is the US or are you implying you are reliable than me ?

    Back to the issue of socialized medicine, for this not so bright family, who probably should never travel , I think I can say, my family is average intelligence for an American. That Americans would not be able to use Socialized Medicine the Australian Version.

    Wow , you are really angry and hurting ?? I just have to put in my 1 cent here. How high was her fever? There must be a reason why she was refused ??? In ER , we have a triage as you all know, so it sounds like her fever was not high or bad enough to be admitted? Who knows ?? but your anger and condescending words to one of us overshadowed your daughters cause ! Do you relaize that ? Throwing around your weight in academic excellence , and what else?? oh , putting his ideas down because he is only 10 years tenure in comparison to your 30 years? Issues and baggages need to be taken care of , or it will just keep on spreading, in all areas of your life. There was nothing in his writing that put you down or you daughter. I 'm sorry to point this out , but you are just bleeding all over the place.:heartbeat Be !
  12. by   talaxandra
    All I know on the subject on nurses travelling overseas is that one nurse I trained with moved to the US. As I type seven of my former colleagues are in the UK (I just had dinner with them in London), five are working in other European countries, and over thirty others have worked in the UK in the last five years. American nurses may not generally be particularly interested in working abroad, but that's not the case for everyone.

    Aussie nurses have something of a tradition of spending a year or two early in their careers working and travelling abroad. Why don't any of them want to work in the US instead? The two biggest reasons I've hears are the cost and inequity of health care and the high rate of litigation, followed by a desire to see more of the world rather than just one (admittedly large and diverse) country. After all, we have one of those ourselves!
  13. by   MaritesaRN
    Quote from nurseguysfinishfirst
    Not one of these people that you listed are currently working in Europe. Who know how soon they will be back here. American hospitals have thousands upon thousands of people who came THROUGH Europe or FROM Europe,crossed an ocean,traversed immigration,started in jobs way below their education and experience.........all to work in an American hospital. I personally have met many. Why would you do all of that ? I have asked.
    More OPPORTUNITY for ME AND MY CHILDREN ! Walk into any hospital in the US and you can meet them too.

    We are all different ...do not forget. What turns one on , may turn others off . I for one is always open to something new and different , while it may scare others out of their complacency couch ! :chuckle

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