So Sick Of This Nurses Eat The Young Crap

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Every time I log on here see such a thread. Well let me see. My hospital has recently decided to hire only new grads or people who were new grads and worked in nursing homes etc. I have been amazed at the attitudes. Some signed contracts and got sent to an area that's apparently low rent. Med/Surg is not sexy enough apparently. Just this months some of the fun the "nasty nurses" have to fix. The heparin drip that gets shut off because the patient wanted a shower. The nurse who called the doc several times overnight for a patient with a low bp, bolused fluids and gave 40 mg of lisinopril at 6am "because its was ordered". The patient with an NG tube clamped, who spent 12 hours pucking and it didn't occur to them the hook him up to suction. The trach pt gurgling, in distress, because the nurse didn't know she was supposed to suction him and then criticized the day nurse for her technique in suctioning. Holding IV antibiotics because the pt was NPO, but continuing the PEG tube feed, so surgery was delayed and I had to explain to the surgeon. OK we all had to learn but really? We have the new grads coming up stating they don't have time and you have to start their IV, pass their meds, you have to do it. Meanwhile holding their lunch they had time to go get on the other side of the hospital at 11am and leaving at 7.30pm while your there till 9.30. It's a if they are still students and the other nurses are their assistants. You go to help and never get so much as a thank you. Just complaints if you so much as try and point out what they need to do to take care of the patients. The word Entitled comes to kind. Not all of them we have some new grads that are willing to learn, grateful for the information. And then this this whole new breed. Is it me? I remember my new nurse days, the crusty nurses who were hard on me but to whom I owe so much. I became a much better nurse because of it. Yes it was hard at the time, but I would never have behaved the way I am seeing now. Generational thing no doubt. But as the as one who is cleaning up the mess, enough. This job is hard enough.

I didn't see any attitude whatsoever in my last profession, public school teaching. A profession full of women, by the way, so I know the NETY attitude ain't from being female.

I work as a school nurse right now in the public school system and I think every profession has its small percentage of true bullying behavior. Almost all the people I work with are great but there are a few bad apples.

What I personally don't like about NETY is the stereotyping of nurses. I'm not a fan of generalizing or stereotyping groups of people as you can see by my signature line.

NETY seems to slide off my back but the whole bullying culture thing we now have embraced as a society, not just in nursing, really irritates me. Once again a decent idea gets totally blown out of proportion in our politically correct society. Instead of attempting to address the cases where someone is truly bullied it now seems acceptable for anyone who is doesn't get their way to cry that they are bullied and I think it cheapens it for those few who truly have been bullied.

One of my biggest frustrations working in public school is Zero Tolerance for what used to be normal behavior. Kids get in trouble all the time for silly stuff, get pulled out of class, have to miss instruction time sitting outside the principal's office waiting to be berated for just being a kid.

Maybe Zero Tolerance has creeped into most professions now. What used to be seen as constructive criticism from more experienced nurses is now seen as "eating their young" or "bullying".

I'm simply frustrated that anyone would put down nurses, in general, with the NETY idea. It has bothered me since I started here on AN.

Specializes in Pediatric Critical Care.

Maybe Zero Tolerance has creeped into most professions now. What used to be seen as constructive criticism from more experienced nurses is now seen as "eating their young" or "bullying".

I think there is some truth to this. And I think that its important to recognize that this is a SYSTEMS problem, moreso than a personal shortcoming as a human being of any individual nurse. Students in the millenial generation are taught different things about delegation (as a previous poster mentioned), about how to be a coworker, and about how to handle "bullying" AKA criticism.

Perhaps a recognition of this would help ease some tension. I think the millenial generation often feels attacked on a personal level (which is also due to the way they were raised, in part at least) by the frustration of the nurses who have come before (whether its intended or not).

I think there is some truth to this. And I think that its important to recognize that this is a SYSTEMS problem, moreso than a personal shortcoming as a human being of any individual nurse. Students in the millenial generation are taught different things about delegation (as a previous poster mentioned), about how to be a coworker, and about how to handle "bullying" AKA criticism.

Perhaps a recognition of this would help ease some tension. I think the millenial generation often feels attacked on a personal level (which is also due to the way they were raised, in part at least) by the frustration of the nurses who have come before (whether its intended or not).

I have to say I see this as the school nurse. I like to walk around the cafeteria at the elementary school because I love the kids but the truth is they are programmed to think every little bit of teasing behavior is bullying. I don't write up bullying referrals but I see the yard duty aides doing it all the time. Or sending the kids over to the wall to sit out recess because of some minor issue that could have been solved with some conversation.

I think we are making kids think they are always the victim.

Instead of teaching them to stand up for themselves.

Two recent examples - one 3rd grade child took off the baseball cap of the student in front of him and turned it backwards and put it back on. Very gently. Bullying referral instead of talking to the student about not doing that again.

A second grader I love joking with told me "Look, there is water dripping from the ceiling!". I looked and she said "Made you look!" . :) I laughed and said "You got me". An aide walked by shortly after and the student did the same thing to her and the aide got really mad, put her finger in the child's face and said "That wasn't nice and I'll never trust you again".

What are we teaching our kids when we have Zero Tolerance for silly behavior or Zero Tolerance for constructive criticism?

I guess that's another thread though . . .:facepalm:

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

From what I am reading that is going on in the schools today, the generation after the Millenials will be much worse. Glad to know I will be likely retired by then.

Helicopter parenting, "bullying" where there is none, NETY when it's constructive criticism most of the time, not letting kids be kids....

It's just gonna get worse.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

It would help to STOP using the term, NETY in schools. I remember back in the late 90s when I was in, our instructor using that term. SO of course, we came to expect it. And you what they say about self-fufilling prophecies. But I took it in stride and just put my head down, worked hard and proved myself.

I never once thought to cry "bully" in such situations. And I did fine.

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.

I read a news article today about two elementary school children who have been called gay and one even had his head smashed against a flag pole- simply because they are the children of a gay couple. That is true bullying. I've said it before and I'll say it again: calling so much of what people interpret as bullying cheapens the true definition of bullying. Constructive criticism, bluntness, not being chatty and best friend-like, heck, even rudeness is not bullying and calling it such is only a slap in the face of true victims. The victim mentality has become incredibly pervasive, and zero tolerance has only increased that disconnect between real bullying and "bullying is what I say it is".

SBE - I cringe when I see current instructors use that term as well.

RoseQueen - exactly. Zero Tolerance does hurt the true victims of real bullying.

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That would be rather difficult since I'm a 6'1'' blonde female. I don't think that you can compare the effects of an inept recent graduate, or the ineptitude of an experienced nurse either for that matter, to the effects of terrorism.

Acts of terrorism rocks the foundation a society. Human beings have a deep-seated need for order and security and this impels societies to establish conventions, laws and boundaries to regulate violent coercion. Attacking the defenseless through an act of terror dramatically amplifies that anxiety about security and leaves people feeling profoundly vulnerable. Terror works through psychological pressure and collective alarmism is an effective facilitator. It's a well known fact the psychological effect of terrorist attacks are out of proportion to its physical effects. Add to this a dollop of good old-fashioned xenophobia and you have the answer to why men of Middle Eastern origin in general face difficulties at airport security checkpoints.

People new to any profession are likely to not be as fast, efficient and competent as an experienced member of that same profession. They can also make mistakes. This isn't unique to nursing. Whatever negative fallout comes from a recent graduate's mistake is a zero-sum game in the sense that a new physician mistakes have about the same effect as a new nurses'. I think that using a new nurse's mistake as an excuse to say that I (or you) look like an idiot, is playing the victim card. My patients seem to trust me and think that I'm competent regardless of the mistakes that are sometimes made by others.

I'm not so much annoyed by these so called "NETY" threads, as I am fascinated. I'm trying to figure out what psychological mechanism is behind the strong reactions I

see in some, whenever someone brings up the "NETY" phenomenon.

I didn't compare terrorism to new graduates. I addressed the PP who said that the actions of a few do not affect the perception of an entire group. Both of my examples are a perfect representation of my point.

Specializes in Psych, Substance Abuse.

I'm sick of reading posts from people who think "your" and "you're" are interchangeable.

"enable them to practice safely at the level of a beginning nurse". The NCLEX is a test to determine whether you can "practice at the level of a beginning nurse".

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.
I'm sick of reading posts from people who think "your" and "you're" are interchangeable.

You mean there not? :wacky: :roflmao:

I'm sick of reading posts from people who think "your" and "you're" are interchangeable.

Me to.

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