Male Nurse Disgusted by Female Nurses

This male nurse is appalled at his female colleagues' behavior. Is he right? Nurses General Nursing Article

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Hi Beth:

I believe you submitted a recent article about Safe Patient/Nurse Ratios in this country. I have been a nurse for about one year and a half and I am appalled by what I have observed with the untenable and unsafe patient/nurse ratios healthcare employers are demanding nurses work with, BUT, I am even more FRUSTRATED and DISGUSTED with the TOTAL LACK OF UNITY among nurses when it comes to speaking in one voice to employers about this.

They would rather run to the bathroom and cry or ***** and moan in private never having the guts to unite and square off with the managements responsible for creating unsafe conditions for the sake of profit. I am a male nurse....you ladies always tout this spirit of "Teamwork" on the floors yet I have never in my life witnessed the amount of undermining and backstabbing that exists among nurses.

Before we can begin to force change on healthcare employers we have to take ownership of our failure to unite.Ladies. please stop all the petty politics among yourselves! Let's all come together as one body and push our legislators for change!! We are in the millions and we are in demand!! That is power!!

Dear Male Nurse Disgusted with Female Nurses,

The female experience is very different from the male experience, my friend. You are operating in the largely female world of nursing, and it probably feels very foreign to you. But as women, this is our world and we know it well.

You believe we are petty and fight among ourselves rather than uniting and speaking up to management. Uniting and speaking up to management as one is male behavior. Female behavior is more divisive and it has kept us down as a profession. You're right, the nursing profession is really not built on strength or unification.

But there's a reason for this behavior. As a male, you would not know this as a lived experience.

Female Conditioning

Females are conditioned to envy each other, not to trust each other, and to compete with each other. Females compare themselves to other females all their lives. Girls compare themselves to Barbie, to the pretty girls, to the girls boys like best, to the cheerleaders. To every other girl.

Women are taught to be helpless when they're not, act stupid when they're smart, not be hungry when they're starving, and to remain passive they're angry.

Females are called the "b" word for being assertive and considered to be more feminine when they are "sweet". It's a dichotomy of expectations.

The dichotomy is everywhere. Look at popular movies about mean girls.

Being direct and straightforward is not how women are brought up to communicate whatsoever. Saying what we need is less important than meeting other's needs.

Meanwhile, boys are taught to stick together, in the army, on the football team. You rarely hear doctors criticize other doctors. Even when a patient goes to see a doctor with a condition that was mishandled by another provider, the response is more along the lines of "Well, let's move forward from here".

By contrast, nurses are hard on each other. Nurses can be quick to blame other nurses. As females, we expect perfection from ourselves...and each other.

State boards of nursing, made up of nurses, are notoriously hard on nurses as compared to doctors' governing boards.

There's another reason for your observations about female behavior.

Men Rule

It's still largely a male-dominated world. Men have the power. Look at the recent "Time's Up" issue. Even in liberal Hollywood, men have the power. Hospital boards are largely male. Hospital CEOs are largely male while CNOs are largely female.

It's a tough but true reality.

Even in nursing, a traditionally female occupation, when men become nurses they are often viewed as more qualified. It's no secret that men in nursing make more than women.

Self-Value

But we women have very special qualities. Intuition, compassion. Empathy. We are nurturers. When we focus on those unique gifts and collaborate together, instead of competing with each other, we are our most powerful selves.

No Excuses

This is not to say these explanations are excuses. Excuses are for people who don't take responsibility.

We are a force to be reckoned with once we take responsibility and come together. There are over 3 million nurses in the United States. We act as if we only have a rake when we actually have a bulldozer in the garage. We have enormous ability to bring about change.

How do we rally the masses? I don't know. Nurses do unite in outrage, as in Show Me Your Stethoscope. But there is an apathy around bringing about political change. The nursing profession itself is not unified by the American Nurse's Association (ANA). Some would say the ANA is beholden to the American Hospital Association (AHA). The AHA is a powerful lobby.

For whatever reason, it is time to stand up, stand together, and speak up. There is a grassroots movement that is dedicated to legislating nurse-patient ratios. It's the Nurses Take DC organization.

If every nurse reading this would make a call to their legislator, or write an email- it will make a difference!

Easily find out who your legislators are and make a call.

Write a letter to support H.R. 2392 and S. 1063 Nurse Staffing Standards for Hospital Patient Safety and Quality Care Act of 2017 legislative bills. Legislators respond to topics based on the number of phone calls and mail from their constituents.

Please read Mandated Nurse-Patient Ratios and share it and this article on social media. Use hashtags #NursesTakeDC and #allnursesSTRONG

His point is.....it wouldn't be so terrible if the culture wasn't so toxic. But here we are, and here you are.....being toxic.

You can't deny what he complains of-lack of unity-is very much so accurate.

As I've stated, if I was a man stating what I wrote, you wouldn't have made that comment.

Men are more valued in the nursing profession, (or I should say 'trusted'). We are paid less because we don't have the physical capacity to do some jobs (maybe an aggressive patient, we call the man), but we shouldn't get paid less. We should all leave the profession, then maybe the CEO's will see us as valuable.

I'm a nursing student so I can't speak for nurses or the professional politics. But none of you should be speaking for entire genders.

Having worked as the only woman in a male dominated workplace, I can say that I've never seen nastiness taken to such an extreme level, both between the guys and toward me. Are all men catty? No.

I've worked as a CNA with all female coworkers who were incredibly supportive and helpful to me, the incompetent newbie. I went to an all female college and have had die-hard friends from there for 20 years now. Are all women supportive and helpful? No.

The nurses at my CNA job, male and female, were the WORST. Rude apathetic, incompetent and lazy. Are all nurses nasty? No!

And for those of you who despise or dislike working with or befriending an entire gender, I feel sorry for you. What a small life you lead.

"I don't like working with women because they're x, y or z."

Now replace "women" with:

"Jewish people"

"Black Americans"

"Little people"

See how that sounds.

I enjoyed reading the article but the title is disgusting to keep reading.

I guess this guy said it and it is an eye catcher for sure but just rereading that sentence over and over is well what it says.

Good job, Nurse Beth, for getting us thinking more about our gender roles and reinforcing that we are all in this thing together, disgusted or not! At least that's how it left me feeling in the long run.

As a male nurse, I want to just say that this nurse uses some harsh language towards our female counterparts and in my opinion leads me to believe that he might be somewhat of a mysoginist and if he is married, he usually calls his wife a drama queen instead of taking responsibility for his actions.

I agree- nurses are apathetic when it comes to political change. Even in the unionized environemnt that I work in, some nurses are "afraid" of being fired by management.

Prior to becoming a nurse, I envisioned myself becoming a nurse manager and growing the ranks and becoming a Chief Nursing Officer. Now that I have been a nurse for a little over 3 years, I would rather die than become a nurse manager or worse a CNO. Once you join management, you immediately become the servant of the corporation. As a bedside nurse, I would rather be the healer and serve my patients needs.

Now, I am fully engaged in political action and changing nursing and bringing safe ratios to light. I am working with my union, NJSafeRatios, and legislators to change our profession. It's not JUST about getting our breaks and lunches, but it's abiut patient safety.

Starting now, let's Unite. Let's not argue over how much of a coward the O.P was for being "disgusted" by his fellow female colleagues. Let's instead focus our energy on improving our profession and improving the quality of care our patients receive.

Follow me me on Twitter @ahmadCCRN and stay up to date on all happenings in NJ for safe staffing.

Specializes in Med-Surge; Forensic Nurse.

Hello:

Unfortunately, I agree with this male nurse. As a female RN, I OFTEN discuss female communication tactics & emotionalism with my colleagues. One of the primary reasons for all the arguing, 'taking things personally,' and other infantile behavior is that we females are typically acting out of our emotions, rather than out of a sense of professionalism & maturity.

I find it very offputting to say to another nurse, albeit a male nurse, that nursing is "our world" and he is just operating in it. He is a professional, and that should be what matters. Period.

Just as many females chatter amongst ourselves and frequently chastise men for some of their normal, male, behaviors, so should we females begin to self-assess and realize that each sex has their strengths & weaknesses, and we need to build/improve from those points.

We females DO gossip, lollygag, and bring too much personal stuff into the workplace. We fuss & fight, pout & nag, with each other, not to mention hold grudges to the point we get so focused on "She said/She did/She looked at me," foolishness. Men, on the other hand, may get upset, even go chest-to-chest, and then, give them a ball, and they have forgotten everything that just happened in the last 30minutes.

If you come to my workplace, you will frequently hear me saying, "Where are the men? We sure could use some testosterone to balance out this estrogen," but, unfortunately, I believe I know why more men are not/do not want to come into nursing.

And, from a rational, standpoint, I can't say that I blame them. Too many women, everyday, for 12hrs, and then they go home to their wives & daughters!

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.

Ok but did you really need to lamb baste the poor guy? LOL! :cyclops:

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Ok but did you really need to lamb baste the poor guy? LOL! :cyclops:

Lamb baste? I've never cooked a lamb; is it usual to baste it?

As for the guy -- probably shouldn't be basting him as we shouldn't be cooking him to begin with.

Hello:

Unfortunately, I agree with this male nurse. As a female RN, I OFTEN discuss female communication tactics & emotionalism with my colleagues. One of the primary reasons for all the arguing, 'taking things personally,' and other infantile behavior is that we females are typically acting out of our emotions, rather than out of a sense of professionalism & maturity.

I find it very offputting to say to another nurse, albeit a male nurse, that nursing is "our world" and he is just operating in it. He is a professional, and that should be what matters. Period.

Just as many females chatter amongst ourselves and frequently chastise men for some of their normal, male, behaviors, so should we females begin to self-assess and realize that each sex has their strengths & weaknesses, and we need to build/improve from those points.

We females DO gossip, lollygag, and bring too much personal stuff into the workplace. We fuss & fight, pout & nag, with each other, not to mention hold grudges to the point we get so focused on "She said/She did/She looked at me," foolishness. Men, on the other hand, may get upset, even go chest-to-chest, and then, give them a ball, and they have forgotten everything that just happened in the last 30minutes.

If you come to my workplace, you will frequently hear me saying, "Where are the men? We sure could use some testosterone to balance out this estrogen," but, unfortunately, I believe I know why more men are not/do not want to come into nursing.

And, from a rational, standpoint, I can't say that I blame them. Too many women, everyday, for 12hrs, and then they go home to their wives & daughters!

Please don't speak for WE.

You certainly don't speak for ME.

You've reduced US, men and women, both, to the most basic stereotypes. The hapless male who can forget all with a good game of football. The sniping woman who can only tear down and not build up.

Is this based in personal observation? Because I don't see any citing...

Ok but did you really need to lamb baste the poor guy? LOL! :cyclops:

We are all adults here. He went fishing with good bait, and "the poor guy" caught a big one.

Lamb baste? I've never cooked a lamb; is it usual to baste it?

I think lambraising is more like it. :whistling:

I think lambraising is more like it. :whistling:

WANT.

Specializes in allergy and asthma, urgent care.
I think lambraising is more like it. :whistling:

I like my lamb marinated and grilled, and I don't baste it.