Held Down and Forced to Take The FLu Shot - page 7
Allright guys, here is my problem: My mom works as a CNA?CMA in a nursing home. The nursing home is forcing people to take flu shots this year. My mom has never taken a flu shot, she is just a... Read More
Nov 11, '07Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 3,068; Likes: 5,124Count me as another one who is having a hard time believing that this story is completely accurate. I mean, I would have no trouble believing that a facility would try to bully their employees into taking the flu shot. I would have no trouble believing that a facility would threaten employees with suspension or even termination for not getting the flu shot. I'm not saying I SUPPORT those practices... FAR from it... but I could definately see it happening.
But this???????? Very very hard for me to believe that this could happen in a healthcare facility in this country, that is staffed by licensed professionals, AND that is accredited. Very hard for me to believe that not one, but THREE nurses actually got together and thought that this was a good idea. And then... sure, you have employees that may actually put up with this type of treatment for fear of losing their 20-year jobs, retirement benefits, etc... but they are STILL going to go tell other people that this is happening!!!!!!
And this is coming from someone who lives in small town Kentucky; another state that is seen as "third world" by some people. The OP said that her mother lives in small town Oklahoma..... doesn't help to convince me that this isn't some sort of big hoax. I am not saying that the OP is making this up or that her mother is making it up; someone else is making this up and perpetuating it.
Nov 11, '07Occupation: R.N. Joined: May '07; Posts: 3,228; Likes: 3,680Quote from santhony44I'd missed this post earlier. But it's dead on.
Offering some sort of incentive is one thing, but you can't hold anyone's check, and you certainly can't hold anyone down!! In this situation, even if the employee isn't physically restrained but is "held down" by fear- of force, losing a job, not getting paid- I think that would be considered coercion and definitely not legal.
Nov 11, '07Occupation: midwife practitioner Specialty: 12 year(s) of experience in midwifery, NICU ; From: SC ; Joined: May '05; Posts: 1,742; Likes: 569Quote from Emmanuel GoldsteinSorry, this is way off post! but Emmanuel..I just tuned in after a nightshift, and am LMAO at your expression! i work with a good few Irish nurses, and their always saying "dead on!" Just tickled me for a spaced, post nightshift minute!!I'd missed this post earlier. But it's dead on.
Nov 11, '07Occupation: RN LTC From: US ; Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 3,760; Likes: 1,820YOu would be surprised of what happens in LTC facilities....but then again, maybe not. I'm kinda betting this person is telling the truth. I'd love to be the person that they were trying to give the flu shot to. I'd be kicking and screaming and calling 911.
Anywho...We need an update.
I'm sure the state health department should be involved to. If they are trying to do this to the employess, what is happening with the residents. High rate of restraints? Catheters? wounds? Hmmm.
What about going up the chain of command? Any higher ups in corportate? I'd be doing much more than letter writing and using the old phone to make a few calls...
Nov 11, '07Occupation: playing science Specialty: NICU ; Joined: Feb '05; Posts: 3,131; Likes: 1,042Quote from Emmanuel GoldsteinWell, the OP (and subject line) does say "held down". I feel bad, I'm really not trying to be a beast here, but I'm having some trouble visualizing this occuring as reported.
But I get what you're saying. If someone tried to force something on me, they had better be prepared to fight. However, if these people are being intimidated to the point they won't even consider pressing charges for fear of repercussions, I wonder how much of a fight they'd put up.
Nov 12, '07Specialty: 28 year(s) of experience in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro ; Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 463; Likes: 177I guess we will all be checking this post for the next few days.
AND THE NATIONAL NEWS............
Just in shock.....America.
Enjoy your Veteran's Day and remember that veterans fought to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
Nov 12, '07Occupation: Triage RN for 18 MD cardiology practice Specialty: 24 year(s) of experience in ER, Occupational Health, Cardiology ; Joined: Apr '07; Posts: 526; Likes: 172Any medical person who gave even one injection this way is out of their ever-lovin' mind! That is assault and battery, and should be a sure-fire way to lose a nursing license!
Nov 12, '07Occupation: Nurse consultant Specialty: Day program consultant DD/MR ; Joined: Aug '07; Posts: 1,256; Likes: 317I have been working flu clinics for the las month and a half, and I have been giving them to willing people I can't imagine being the nurse administering a flu shot to someone that does not want it. I'm scare every time I give one that some may have a reaction, and I keep my emergency kit with the ammonia capsule and epi right next to me. The DA does need to step in here and do something. I hope OP gives and update as to what happened I will keep an eye out on the news I'm sure it will make prime time if OP's mother was forced to receive the shot today. Im sure if S*** hit the fan today OP will be busy.
Nov 13, '07Occupation: RN Specialty: NICU, Telephone Triage ; Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 703; Likes: 298Well, yeah, I'm wondering where the OP is, we're all waiting for an update.
Nov 13, '07Joined: Mar '07; Posts: 459; Likes: 336OK , part of me wants to say there must be more to this story than meets the eye. But, if all of this is true, I agree with others here. Call 911, press charges and send them to jail.
Nov 13, '07Occupation: Dialysis Nurse Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience in dialysis ; Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 830; Likes: 791Um. Okay I agree it's assault, but calling 911? It's not an emergency. File charges of course, but don't call 911. That's a little overboard.
Nov 13, '07Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,453Quote from Natkatyou don't find it emergent when someone uses bodily force to impose their will over yours?Um. Okay I agree it's assault, but calling 911? It's not an emergency. File charges of course, but don't call 911. That's a little overboard.
call 911 and get the cops there stat.