EEK! There's a woman in my room!

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Since the "man in my room" thread got closed, I thought I would try a different track. I want to focus on something a little different. :idea:

We know the emotional responses we got to the idea of men providing intimate care of women. What I want to discuss is the issues affecting the intimate care of men by women.

If any of you have read my prior posts on this subject, you are aware of my own difficulties with opposite sex care. To recap, my own experience involved a sexually abusive situation. I am male, and when I was in the hospital as a teenager, the female nurse decided that I needed a bed bath. So that is what she proceeded to do. And much to my embarrassment, I got an erection during said bath. I wasn't aroused, it just happened. As any guy can tell you, we just don't have direct control over that function. This nurse decided she had the "cure" and proceeded to strike me in the scrotum. A lot of damage was done, physically and emotionally. One testicle healed in way that would not allow me to father children (antibodies). I'm skipping over a lot of detail in the interest of brevity, but that's what happened. :imbar

I have heard over the years many comments as to a female nurse's reaction to the male erection. A number of times I have heard reference to causing a pain stimulus to stop the erection from occurring. The stimulus usually involved striking the genitalia with an object or by using the middle finger to "thump" or "flick" either the member or a testicle. I have heard several members of the military tell me this was done to them when they were hospitalized while in service, sometimes while recovering from combat wounds. In my situation, it could be that this nurse didn't get the desired result from just using the middle finger, so she resorted to something more forceful. :eek:

My questions to you all is this. How widespread is this? How many of you learned to do that in school? Maybe learned it after school? Have any of you ever done it to your male patients? Ever hear other nurses talk about it?

I'm not trolling and I'm not joking. It happened to me and others that I know of. It would be nice to get enough information together to come up with an article for a major nursing publication. That would bring the issue to the forefront and maybe launch an initiative to stop this brutal practice. Men treated this way could easily be your father, husband, son, brother, other family member, significant other, best friend, neighbor, or coworker.

One other thing. Given the overwhelming presence of women in nursing, male patients are often expected to just accept intimate care from women nurses without complaint. Often times there may be no other choice. But other times there are. It appears to me that female nurses (and other medical staff) have such unlimited access to male patients that they practically take it for granted. Many of the rules in place defining or limiting what male providers can do to female patients often don't apply to females in the care of men. I realize it varies among different facilities, and I have read on this forum that there are some men doing intimate procedures on female patients. However, I suspect the majority of facilities do put some kind of limit on what the men can do. Gender bias results when members of one sex are held to rules that the other sex is exempt from. The outcome of the bias is an imbalance where it is difficult for the female providers to effectively empathize with the male patients. That results the females taking an almost lackadaisical, casual, or blase' view of the modesty and privacy needs of male patients. For me it has been an uphill battle many times when receiving care just to get them to close doors or curtains, or provide draping. It's not the men I have this problem with, it's mostly women. To me treating a patient with respect and privacy specifically means covering my exposed body for comfort. To deprive me of that is to deny their obligations. I want female medical personnel to value my privacy as much as they value their own.

Having gone through infertility treatments with my wife and have stood next to her as she received care and I have noticed that privacy is never an issue. During breast exams only one side was exposed at a time. I have endured several exams where I was instructed to strip down to just underwear and wait for the doc. When the doc enters the room there is a moment where anybody outside can see past the doc. When the doc gets to the genital exam you have to lower the shorts to midthigh so you are essentially naked, and then have to bend over the table for the digital. I know men who have had this done by female docs. Absolutely cruel. At least I have only had male docs for this. I have had my share of ER visits over the years, GSW, plane crash, fire/smoke injuries, etc. Every time I have had to battle for my privacy/dignity/decency. When you are hurt that's the last thing you should have to worry about.

Any other men here experience this? Your thoughts on this ladies?

I have nothing against women. I find myself in agreement with many women here when it comes to personal care. Please don't think I'm on a tirade. If we can get some constructive dialog going maybe we can learn and do better for others.

Let's keep it nice so the mods don't close the thread. :wink2:

Danissa, I was 33 when I got married and we waited about 2 years before attempting to have kids. By then I was 35. Since the incident happened when I was 16, that's a lot of time for antibodies to develop. We did all the infertility stuff, sperm wash, IVF with both wife's eggs and a donor egg. Nothing worked for us. Adoption looks to be the only option now and one that we are presently pursuing.

As for the pain, one doc said to do surgery to remove the affected area. Another said the surgery would not reverse the infertility, but may not alleviate the pain either. I don't see the antibody problem being correctable at this point anyway, besides I am 51 and the wife will soon be 47. Egg quality is now an issue. I wish the pain would stop but the surgery scares me more than anything.

Specializes in midwifery, NICU.

:banghead:: OMG, 58flyer, I'm so sorry. I just wish you all the best in life, whatever happens. This saddens me so much, I have a son, please whoever, that nothing like this ever happens to him. Hope the pain gets less, whether you proceed with surgery or not.

Sending you my best of wishes for sucess in the adoption process, hope your wee team of two can be three! :icon_hug:

WOW!! I am sooo disturbed that this practice would occur in any period of time. That is awful, I have never even heard of it before.

I am old nurse...started my training in 1967...one of my instructors was an old Navy Nurse...she began her Nursing career serving in WWII. She instructed us, with a big wink, that thumping was the "cure" for unsolicited erections.

I never in my almost 41 years of Nursing have ever used this technique or heard of any other nurses, cnas or care-givers doing this sort of abuse. But it was "taught" at my school in 1967.

I'm sorry this happened to you.:o

Lavslady, Thank You for not ever using this technique on your patients. Sad to think though that some of that instructor's students may have used it and might have actually passed it on to other care givers.

BTW, I was really touched by the Doc Lavinder story. :icon_hug:

Specializes in ortho/neuro/general surgery.

My questions to you all is this. How widespread is this? How many of you learned to do that in school? Maybe learned it after school? Have any of you ever done it to your male patients? Ever hear other nurses talk about it?

Never heard of it, thank goodness. And I (female) certainly wouldn't do that to another human being. Seeing my husband get accidentally whopped in that region by my kids jumping on him has definitely taught me that's pretty painful.

I also can't imagine that any instructors I had in school would be teaching that. They taught us to maintain patient's privacy and dignity. Thanks for bringing a male perspective out.

Well, like I told you on the other thread, our psycho instructors in the diploma (RN) school I attended expected us to do that, and demonstrated the technique on a cath dummy. This was back in '79-80.

we were taught that or a gentle squeeze at the base of member- never taught to flick it hard- never used the info- would just finish up washing and levae em be. wasnt thier fault ( as pointed out it is a natural reaction ) and ignoring it usually takes care of it.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Home Health.
Since the "man in my room" thread got closed, I thought I would try a different track. I want to focus on something a little different. :idea:

We know the emotional responses we got to the idea of men providing intimate care of women. What I want to discuss is the issues affecting the intimate care of men by women.

If any of you have read my prior posts on this subject, you are aware of my own difficulties with opposite sex care. To recap, my own experience involved a sexually abusive situation. I am male, and when I was in the hospital as a teenager, the female nurse decided that I needed a bed bath. So that is what she proceeded to do. And much to my embarrassment, I got an erection during said bath. I wasn't aroused, it just happened. As any guy can tell you, we just don't have direct control over that function. This nurse decided she had the "cure" and proceeded to strike me in the scrotum. A lot of damage was done, physically and emotionally. One testicle healed in way that would not allow me to father children (antibodies). I'm skipping over a lot of detail in the interest of brevity, but that's what happened. :imbar

I have heard over the years many comments as to a female nurse's reaction to the male erection. A number of times I have heard reference to causing a pain stimulus to stop the erection from occurring. The stimulus usually involved striking the genitalia with an object or by using the middle finger to "thump" or "flick" either the member or a testicle. I have heard several members of the military tell me this was done to them when they were hospitalized while in service, sometimes while recovering from combat wounds. In my situation, it could be that this nurse didn't get the desired result from just using the middle finger, so she resorted to something more forceful. :eek:

My questions to you all is this. How widespread is this? How many of you learned to do that in school? Maybe learned it after school? Have any of you ever done it to your male patients? Ever hear other nurses talk about it?

I'm not trolling and I'm not joking. It happened to me and others that I know of. It would be nice to get enough information together to come up with an article for a major nursing publication. That would bring the issue to the forefront and maybe launch an initiative to stop this brutal practice. Men treated this way could easily be your father, husband, son, brother, other family member, significant other, best friend, neighbor, or coworker.

One other thing. Given the overwhelming presence of women in nursing, male patients are often expected to just accept intimate care from women nurses without complaint. Often times there may be no other choice. But other times there are. It appears to me that female nurses (and other medical staff) have such unlimited access to male patients that they practically take it for granted. Many of the rules in place defining or limiting what male providers can do to female patients often don't apply to females in the care of men. I realize it varies among different facilities, and I have read on this forum that there are some men doing intimate procedures on female patients. However, I suspect the majority of facilities do put some kind of limit on what the men can do. Gender bias results when members of one sex are held to rules that the other sex is exempt from. The outcome of the bias is an imbalance where it is difficult for the female providers to effectively empathize with the male patients. That results the females taking an almost lackadaisical, casual, or blase' view of the modesty and privacy needs of male patients. For me it has been an uphill battle many times when receiving care just to get them to close doors or curtains, or provide draping. It's not the men I have this problem with, it's mostly women. To me treating a patient with respect and privacy specifically means covering my exposed body for comfort. To deprive me of that is to deny their obligations. I want female medical personnel to value my privacy as much as they value their own.

Having gone through infertility treatments with my wife and have stood next to her as she received care and I have noticed that privacy is never an issue. During breast exams only one side was exposed at a time. I have endured several exams where I was instructed to strip down to just underwear and wait for the doc. When the doc enters the room there is a moment where anybody outside can see past the doc. When the doc gets to the genital exam you have to lower the shorts to midthigh so you are essentially naked, and then have to bend over the table for the digital. I know men who have had this done by female docs. Absolutely cruel. At least I have only had male docs for this. I have had my share of ER visits over the years, GSW, plane crash, fire/smoke injuries, etc. Every time I have had to battle for my privacy/dignity/decency. When you are hurt that's the last thing you should have to worry about.

Any other men here experience this? Your thoughts on this ladies?

I have nothing against women. I find myself in agreement with many women here when it comes to personal care. Please don't think I'm on a tirade. If we can get some constructive dialog going maybe we can learn and do better for others.

Let's keep it nice so the mods don't close the thread. :wink2:

I have never heard of doing that to a man. That is just unprofessional and mean. Im sorry you had to go thru that. Ive never had a man request a man nurse for care, but I always try to provide privacy and allow modesty to my patients. Even in death, I bath the body as if he were still alive....keeping parts covered as allowed. You should have reported that nurse for abuse....assault and bat.

Might I suggest the film about male restroom etiquette to those of us who do not frequent men's rooms? It is comedy, and perhaps inappropriate, but there is some truth in all humor and the first part of it helped me think differently about male modesty. If you're under the age of 21, or do not wish to view scatalogical humor, please do not under any circumstances go to youtube and type "male restroom etiquette" into the search bar.

I had never heard of "flicking" before, but I have seen male residents inappropriately exposed. I apologized to one and he said the Navy had gotten him over his modesty a long time ago. So, not only was I bothered that the CNA had left him exposed while fetching a new top sheet, but it bothered me that he didn't care. I thought, "What's wrong with the Navy?"

When enlisting in the Army, I was treated with appropriate sensitivity. I had a very hard time providing a urine sample for the drug screen, though, with a female watching me. I don't think I could have done it at all with a male watching, and especially if I had been abused by a male. But I guess the bladder decides, eventually.

Some guys might not mind being exposed, but it is courteous for everyone to keep them covered, anyway. I'll try to do a better job of communicating that to the folks I supervise who perform personal care. I have never personally seen a female exposed the way I've seen males on my hall exposed, but maybe I need to be more vigilant for everyone involved.

Does anyone know what the flicking or thumping procedure was called? If it was taught somewhere, then it was written down somewhere. That "nursing intervention" has a name, and I'd like to help document its history.

all i recall was them saying give a firm but not to hard fk flick to the tip of the member or a firm but not to hard squeeze at the base - dont recall a specific name- perhaps it was just some nursing teacher who had these ideas and there really wasnt a specific rul for em???

Specializes in Operating Room.

I'm happy with my past instructors after reading some of the stories here...many of my instructors are what you would call "old school" and I never, ever heard of hitting someone's member in response to an erection.I graduated in 2006. If it happens, I just ignore it. Luckily, most guys are not perverts and are embarassed so I figure why draw even more attention to the matter?

On my shift, there are only 2 of us and we're both female, so we are unable to accomodate requests for a certain gender. It's never come up though.

I'm happy with my past instructors after reading some of the stories here...many of my instructors are what you would call "old school" and I never, ever heard of hitting someone's member in response to an erection.I graduated in 2006. If it happens, I just ignore it. Luckily, most guys are not perverts and are embarassed so I figure why draw even more attention to the matter?

On my shift, there are only 2 of us and we're both female, so we are unable to accomodate requests for a certain gender. It's never come up though.

I'm curious as to what you would do if you encountered a patient, such as myself, who might say, "look, there's just no way I can allow a female to do this intimate procedure." How would you accomodate him? Could you call another department or floor to see if a guy was available? Would your facility allow you to do that? Without general anesthesia or heavy sedation I just couldn't allow myself to be put in that situation.

Specializes in ER/EHR Trainer.

Interesting question.....I would imagine if no male was available. You'd have several options. Refuse and live with the consequences. Insist your physician did it(what if it's a female?). or Acquiesce and let the female nurse perform their order.

From my perspective, if a catheter is REQUIRED, it's been due to urinary retention, abdominal distention, or a trip to the OR. I've never had anyone refuse, but then again there are tons of male nurses in the ER if someone did.

If that was a patient's preference I'd get a male....I just want my patient happy.

Maisy

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