EEK! There's a woman in my room!

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Since the "man in my room" thread got closed, I thought I would try a different track. I want to focus on something a little different. :idea:

We know the emotional responses we got to the idea of men providing intimate care of women. What I want to discuss is the issues affecting the intimate care of men by women.

If any of you have read my prior posts on this subject, you are aware of my own difficulties with opposite sex care. To recap, my own experience involved a sexually abusive situation. I am male, and when I was in the hospital as a teenager, the female nurse decided that I needed a bed bath. So that is what she proceeded to do. And much to my embarrassment, I got an erection during said bath. I wasn't aroused, it just happened. As any guy can tell you, we just don't have direct control over that function. This nurse decided she had the "cure" and proceeded to strike me in the scrotum. A lot of damage was done, physically and emotionally. One testicle healed in way that would not allow me to father children (antibodies). I'm skipping over a lot of detail in the interest of brevity, but that's what happened. :imbar

I have heard over the years many comments as to a female nurse's reaction to the male erection. A number of times I have heard reference to causing a pain stimulus to stop the erection from occurring. The stimulus usually involved striking the genitalia with an object or by using the middle finger to "thump" or "flick" either the member or a testicle. I have heard several members of the military tell me this was done to them when they were hospitalized while in service, sometimes while recovering from combat wounds. In my situation, it could be that this nurse didn't get the desired result from just using the middle finger, so she resorted to something more forceful. :eek:

My questions to you all is this. How widespread is this? How many of you learned to do that in school? Maybe learned it after school? Have any of you ever done it to your male patients? Ever hear other nurses talk about it?

I'm not trolling and I'm not joking. It happened to me and others that I know of. It would be nice to get enough information together to come up with an article for a major nursing publication. That would bring the issue to the forefront and maybe launch an initiative to stop this brutal practice. Men treated this way could easily be your father, husband, son, brother, other family member, significant other, best friend, neighbor, or coworker.

One other thing. Given the overwhelming presence of women in nursing, male patients are often expected to just accept intimate care from women nurses without complaint. Often times there may be no other choice. But other times there are. It appears to me that female nurses (and other medical staff) have such unlimited access to male patients that they practically take it for granted. Many of the rules in place defining or limiting what male providers can do to female patients often don't apply to females in the care of men. I realize it varies among different facilities, and I have read on this forum that there are some men doing intimate procedures on female patients. However, I suspect the majority of facilities do put some kind of limit on what the men can do. Gender bias results when members of one sex are held to rules that the other sex is exempt from. The outcome of the bias is an imbalance where it is difficult for the female providers to effectively empathize with the male patients. That results the females taking an almost lackadaisical, casual, or blase' view of the modesty and privacy needs of male patients. For me it has been an uphill battle many times when receiving care just to get them to close doors or curtains, or provide draping. It's not the men I have this problem with, it's mostly women. To me treating a patient with respect and privacy specifically means covering my exposed body for comfort. To deprive me of that is to deny their obligations. I want female medical personnel to value my privacy as much as they value their own.

Having gone through infertility treatments with my wife and have stood next to her as she received care and I have noticed that privacy is never an issue. During breast exams only one side was exposed at a time. I have endured several exams where I was instructed to strip down to just underwear and wait for the doc. When the doc enters the room there is a moment where anybody outside can see past the doc. When the doc gets to the genital exam you have to lower the shorts to midthigh so you are essentially naked, and then have to bend over the table for the digital. I know men who have had this done by female docs. Absolutely cruel. At least I have only had male docs for this. I have had my share of ER visits over the years, GSW, plane crash, fire/smoke injuries, etc. Every time I have had to battle for my privacy/dignity/decency. When you are hurt that's the last thing you should have to worry about.

Any other men here experience this? Your thoughts on this ladies?

I have nothing against women. I find myself in agreement with many women here when it comes to personal care. Please don't think I'm on a tirade. If we can get some constructive dialog going maybe we can learn and do better for others.

Let's keep it nice so the mods don't close the thread. :wink2:

I would hope the nurse got fired! What a cruel thing for anyone to do to someone else. Sorry it happened to you.

Unfortunately I wasn't in any position to do anything about it. I thought it was my fault and blamed myself, and it was just too embarrassing for a teenage kid to tell his mom what happened. Dad had passed away by that time, so I had no one to talk to about it. I didn't tell anyone about it for many years. Regretfully, by my not taking action, she was free to continue to do it to other guys. :madface:

I had to ask my husband after I read this. He spent a great deal of his childhood in hospitals and he has had many things done during his military service and he said he had a nurse inflict pain on his member (not scrotum) when he was around 13 years old. The thought of anyone doing that to him, or my son, brother, father makes me furious and like I said, I am not even in a program yet but you can be sure that your story touched at least 1 future RN because this will never be a practice of mine, taught or not.

Did he say why the pain was inflicted? Was it an erection issue or something else? Scary to think someone would do that to a 13 year old (or anybody) unless there was some medical necessity.

Specializes in Cardiac.
Regretfully, by my not taking action, she was free to continue to do it to other guys. :madface:

You were young and it wasnt' your fault. ((hugs)) I'm sure karma caught up to her...

Specializes in LTC.

Thanks for the video. Always helpful to share different perspectives. People laugh at what makes them uncomfortable, and the whole topic of male modesty is uncomfortable.

I'm not surprised that many of us have never heard a male patient complain, and certainly never heard a female nurse admit to it. But just because we don't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't happened and that it won't happen again.

If most of us haven't heard of a male patient complaining about his treatment by female nurses, or about sexual improprieties, does that mean it does not happen? I don't think so. Victims of sexual assault rarely speak out, especially if they're male. If we don't leave ourselves open to the possibility that some men might feel modest, or anxious, or even violated by females, just as some women might feel that way about men, then that makes us less effective nurses.

Specializes in Operating Room.
If I saw a nurse ever do that to a patient i would call the police and report them for assault and battery.

[i'm curious as to what you would do if you encountered a patient, such as myself, who might say, "look, there's just no way I can allow a female to do this intimate procedure." How would you accomodate him? Could you call another department or floor to see if a guy was available? Would your facility allow you to do that? Without general anesthesia or heavy sedation I just couldn't allow myself to be put in that situation.]

I work in the OR as well and we don't have a lot of male nurses. I would do my best and try and get someone but the problem is as Witchy said OR nurses do not float to other areas, and nurses from other areas cannot come to work in the OR. If there were no male nurses i would ask a surgeon or anaesthetist if they were willing to help because the majority of those are male. Most I know would be willing to help in this sort of situation. In my state nurses are not allowed to put in male catheters anyway, docs only.

Scrubby, not to hijack the thread, but is the reason they only want docs putting in male catheters because of possible strictures or prostate difficulties? We put them in here but I was taught never to force the catheter-I've certainly asked the surgeon to step in if I'm meeting resistance. A few times, we've had to get a urologist!
Did he say why the pain was inflicted? Was it an erection issue or something else? Scary to think someone would do that to a 13 year old (or anybody) unless there was some medical necessity.

First, thank you for reading my post and I'm sorry I am so late with rechecking this thread. It's been an insane week and it's only half over!

I don't know exactily what the situation was, but it was because he had an erection and there was no medical reason to stop it. At least I don't see how there could have been a medical reason for it, he was never in the hospital for anything below the belt as a child.

What I find scary is that someone would do this to anyone, reguardless of their age. It's assault, plain and simple.

i have never heard of a nurse or anyone else for that matter do such a terrible thing to another person.

that nurse was truly evil and should be ashamed.

Thanks for the video. Always helpful to share different perspectives. People laugh at what makes them uncomfortable, and the whole topic of male modesty is uncomfortable.

I'm not surprised that many of us have never heard a male patient complain, and certainly never heard a female nurse admit to it. But just because we don't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't happened and that it won't happen again.

If most of us haven't heard of a male patient complaining about his treatment by female nurses, or about sexual improprieties, does that mean it does not happen? I don't think so. Victims of sexual assault rarely speak out, especially if they're male. If we don't leave ourselves open to the possibility that some men might feel modest, or anxious, or even violated by females, just as some women might feel that way about men, then that makes us less effective nurses.

Thankyou....you said a lot for a lot more men than most realise. I have avoided doctors for 40 years...now I find I have to go. The health care folks are in that job by choice...I am a patient just because I was born. Although I am sure most in the field are "Angels Of Mercy"...I had the experience of having..one training for a position as tormentor for the hot place many years ago...That was in a time females had an even harder time than now saying anything unappropriate had happened to them...and 12 year old boys dang sure didn't ever say it.:banghead:

Why don't the nurses just.. pour soap over it?

You are obviously a credit to your profession...and a very compassionate person....

58flyer,

I cannot believe this happened to you. It was wrong and completely unethical on so many levels. This is a case of abuse, which caused a permanent, maiming injury.

I am sitting here horrified.

I have heard of the "thumping" method. Is has been mentioned to me by older nurses as something which "used" to be done, back in the dark ages.

I've been a nurse for 17 years. Instructors in my program told us that a male pt getting an erection happens occasionally, and to just cover the pt with a sheet, if possible, and ignore it.

I have experienced this, and ignored it as I was taught. No big deal.

I have experienced sexual aggression and inappropriate comments from a few male pts, in the 30s to 40s age range.

One such pt was a man who had sustained a pubic bone fracture from being stepped on by a horse. I do not think he was the type of person to behave this way normally. He was a very macho cowboy type. I think he felt so vulnerable and in such a powerless position, that this was his misguided attempt at "turning the tables" and taking back his "power."

As a consequence, he was assigned a male RN, and his behavior improved.

And maybe a way ..to keep from admitting his embarrassment..still I am not for a patient abusing a nurse anymore than I am a nurse doing so to a patient...:twocents:

Specializes in Maternal/Child, Med/Surg, Psych.

So sorry that you had to endure that type of treatment--not acceptable at all. :crying2: I have cared for multiple young men in my time and multiple older fellows too. I always provide the same coverage for them I would expect. Have had a few that had erections during care but could tell by facial expression this was not enjoyable for them--I just ignored it. I also placed a catheter in a male pt that had a penile implant-- I offered at admission but he said no despite explanation of necessity. I provided a urinal and offered assistance if needed and told him if he changed his mind about the catheter to let me know ( he did). When I inserted the catheter it had to be clamped twice (he had 2000ml of urine OUCH!!!) He then thanked me and said he wished he would have let me insert the cath at time of arrival but was afraid because he thought I would be offended by his implant--I felt so bad for him:o. The next day he thanked me again.

I know that some people have a hard time with peri care on the opposite sex but I for one don't you can perform your duties in a professional manner always have a witness (doctors do so why shouldn't we) and always maintain your pts dignity, this can be and uphill battle with some staff but remind them that what goes around comes around. The nurse that mistreated you will someday realize the error in her ways--hopefully before she harms another.

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