Cheating In School

[cokie]

just read a long thread about lowering the standards etc. for people with special needs. how about cheaters. i went to school with quite a few people who were not only sharing notes from the previous semester, but also test answers, fully written care plans, magazine reports. i know that this is cheating, that is not my question. my question is, isn't it better for someone to have to work very hard for a 73% and be passed, than to achieve by cheating. please don't get me wrong, i am in no way saying that all the 4.0 people are cheating, but quite a few people in my class SHARED answers. i think that it is wrong, but didn't have many on my side. any one else experience this, and feel that they are quite alone in feeling that this is wrong. i don't want to work on the floor with people who cheated their way through school. i think that these are the truly dangerous people, not my co-workers who occasionally ask me to help them with a drug calculation. take care and have a great week.........

[kittyw]

What I really hate are those that mention the cheating getting called tattletails and such by those cheating. :rolleyes I don't know how people get caught sometimes as I'm just too focused to notice anything while I'm taking a test.

The definition of cheating is established by the honor code in that school. We're allowed to share lecture notes, rewatch the class cd's, get notes from last year. We don't have copies of last year's tests as they are done online.

Kitty

[jude11142]

originally posted by cyberkat

we had students cheating in classes during our first semster. and i mean they never tried to hide it. they had notes and books wide open during an exam. nothing was done. they are graduating this semester.

another incident involved two women who, during an exam starting talking to each other in their native language. the teacher failed them both. they appealed, saying the instructor had no idea what they were saying, therefore she could not prove they were cheating. mind you, they never said they were innocent, just that it couldn't be proven. they, too, are graduating this semester.

the whole thing disgusts me, but it had to do with politcal correctness and not making the school look bad.

i also have had this happen in my classes. talk about aggravating!! they also graduated despite multiple reports that they were cheating on exams. what did our instructors say to those who reported them? "don't you worry, we are not stupic and we know what's going on" etc...and??? they did nothing, didn't even switch their seats or anything. the rest of the class knew what was going on and at times it would be so obvious. why the instructors chose to ignore this, i don' t know. i would come home from school and tell hubby what was going on and i would be so upset, and he would just say, "who cares what they do, worry about yourself"........well, no sh**!!! but, i worked very hard to earn my grades and didn't always have an easy time. can't understand why others should get aways with cheating and getting away with it. i hope to never have to work with any of them as how can they be trusted. i certainly wouldn't want to take their word on anything. and what does their cheating hurt? themself? i could care less about them, it's the patients that i care about and i find it horrible that there are nurses out there who are most likely not very honest. ofcourse, it's not only the nursing profession that this happens with. it's just a sad that this happens.

jude

[ceecel.dee, MSN, RN]

They will never learn...really learn...what they need to know to function in their chosen "professional" role. They will fail.

"I forget what I was taught. I only remember what I learned." - author unknown.

[KevinN]

I agree with ceecel.dee , people who cheat are only cheating themselves and will eventually fail. I have seen it so many times with people who are dishonest. Initially they can get away with it and it seems unfair, but in the end their dishonest behaviors always end up being their downfall.

Kevin

[Teshiee]

Nursing is one profession you shouldn't cheat in. Imagine the ramifications!!!! If you cheat expulsion immediately 0 tolerance for that mess!

[LouisianaNurse2006]

Agree with everyone here, although I don't consider sharing lecture notes cheating.

As for cheaters, what losers. Get 'em out of nursing school!

I agree, at our school we all share old & new lecture notes, practice tests, and anything and everything we can get our hands on before test day to study, study, study!

But come test time... it is serious. Every semester there are new and different tests so there is no way to have the actual test itself before hand.

Everyone is on there on and the test is very "military style", nothing brought in with you and several instructors walking around watching.

We are spread out in a large classroom, and there are at least 2 versions of the test.

Although it is a little unnerving, I like it. I hate the thought that I work my butt off in school and someone else could slide by while cheating!

[Energizer Bunny]

There was another thread about this not long ago. Cheaters don't belong in nursing school. It's too important to know what in the world you are doing. Someone's life could be at stake.

[purplemania, BSN, RN]

it will be next to impossible to cheat on the NCLEX exam. That alone will cull some people. Cheaters end up cheating themselves because they lose the trust of others. Also, even if they get licensed, will they lie about medical documentation, med errors, etc.? I would not want that person for my nurse.

[CHATSDALE]

exams have a two fold purpose, it shows the instructor how much you have learned and it shows you your weak points so that you can concentrate and make your self a better nurse..the ultimate goal....you don't go to school to get grades..you go to learn things you will need the rest of your working life

[tmiller027]

There were some people in my ANP class last year who were getting straight As and a few had admitted they had copies of all the exams fromt he previous semester so they were just studying the exams.

This had me really pissed off, but a good friend of mine who sat next to me told me not to worry, while they might get all A's, she said we'll see who is struggling once out on the floor after school and who moves up faster. I thought she had a good point.

[rnmi2004]

A few people on this thread have stated that "people who cheat are only cheating themselves." In many cases, this may be true. However, a nursing student who cheats also cheats their patients.

[Angela Mac]

cheaters are only cheating themselves.

Can't cheat the state boards......