Fyi

[Tippy-ta-ta]

did you know that in the state of Oklahoma the public school employees are not required to have any CPR/First Aid training. my 4 yo daugther recently fell at school and hit her head, she was bleeding pretty bad and the school nurse had called me because she felt that she needed stitches. Thankfully she didn't I took her to the ER and the doc said that it was more superficial and that she woulnd't need stitches.

When I asked her teacher about whether or not she was certified in CPR/fFirst Aid training, she said she was but that it is not required for them. But most of them are. BUT NOT REQUIRED ???

That floors me. It really scares me to know that if my child were to fall on the playground, become unconcsious and/or unresponsive that there MIGHT be someone there who would know what to do at that very moment, rather than spend 5 minutes trying to find someone who does. that 5 minutes could determine life or death for my child.

It really scares me...

I sent an e-mail to the State Education Superintendent regarding this. I am considering going to my state rep, congressmen, senator, legislator.ect. To get it to be mandatory that ALL public school employees be certified in CPR/First Aid.

[FireStarterRN, BSN, RN]

-How many school districts can bear the cost of CPR training for all employees? Many districts don't even have enough BOOKS. Tell me-does an overprotective parent let their child go to a friends house for a sleep over only if a parent is CPR certified?

Actually, yes there are some Moms who might require that before they'd allow their kids out of their sight. I call them 'Safety Moms'.

[RN4NICU, LPN, LVN]

If they stopped breathing, then they most likely broke their spine or their neck...unless you have ADVANCED training, you aren't going to know how to get that airway back.

You could go on and on with the seriousness of injuries, what if this, what if that.

I don't think that teachers need CPR training or first aid training.

I had a relative that was a school nurse for 15 years, and she said that the worse injury she ever had (not illness related) was a broken arm because a child was pushed from the top of a large slide.

Yeah, but if a kid chokes on his PB&J, at least the teacher would know how to perform the heimlich maneuver (and CPR, if necessary) correctly.

[LovebugLPN]

-How many school districts can bear the cost of CPR training for all employees? Many districts don't even have enough BOOKS. Tell me-does an overprotective parent let their child go to a friends house for a sleep over only if a parent is CPR certified?

No, but I would appreciate if they would. It is just like I appreciate that I can send my son to a school that does have First Aid/CPR certification for every teacher.

[ktwlpn, LPN]

Actually, yes there are some Moms who might require that before they'd allow their kids out of their sight. I call them 'Safety Moms'.

aka "Hover moms"

[Tippy-ta-ta]

If they stopped breathing, then they most likely broke their spine or their neck...unless you have ADVANCED training, you aren't going to know how to get that airway back.

You could go on and on with the seriousness of injuries, what if this, what if that.

I don't think that teachers need CPR training or first aid training.

I had a relative that was a school nurse for 15 years, and she said that the worse injury she ever had (not illness related) was a broken arm because a child was pushed from the top of a large slide.

that makes no sense. I would hope that someone would know CPR to start it and not let my child die. We hear all the time about kids dying at school because of heat stroke, heart condition that noone was aware of, or even just a simple fall on the playground. How can you say that they don't need CPR or First Aid training.?

[Keepstanding, ASN, RN]

advocate for school nurse's in every school !

[Tippy-ta-ta]

-How many school districts can bear the cost of CPR training for all employees? Many districts don't even have enough BOOKS. Tell me-does an overprotective parent let their child go to a friends house for a sleep over only if a parent is CPR certified?

ah, yeah. Some of us moms are very protective of our young ones. Although I understand that you can't control everything, but it would be very comforting to know that when I send my child to school everyday that the person caring for them would be CPR/First Aid training. The daycares are why should the schools not be? Of course daycares and even some licsenced private in-home daycares require infant/child CPR, but then again they also have contracts thru DHS. So I guess that would be where the difference is.

[DA314]

What about the workers at chuck-e Cheese? How about the fair employees? Workers at McDonald's? Ice cream man? Big sis who babysits sometimes?

In a perfect world, everyone would know basic life support. But we can't require it for everyone. Maybe a better take on this would be for the school to offer CPR training 2x per year, and then the teachers can come if they want. They could charge the normal rate for it, then the school wouldn't have to shell out the $$ to get them certified. I'd bet a lot of teachers would attend.

[Tippy-ta-ta]

What about the workers at chuck-e Cheese? How about the fair employees? Workers at McDonald's? Ice cream man? Big sis who babysits sometimes?

In a perfect world, everyone would know basic life support. But we can't require it for everyone. Maybe a better take on this would be for the school to offer CPR training 2x per year, and then the teachers can come if they want. They could charge the normal rate for it, then the school wouldn't have to shell out the $$ to get them certified. I'd bet a lot of teachers would attend.

Yes in a perfect world they would. But in a public school system with all the violence in schools now a days you would figure they would offer it to them.

[Flare, ASN, BSN]

The cost of it is one thing - but the teacher's also have a perception of liability that prevents them from wanting to assume that responsibility. In my district (i've been a school nurse for 6 years now and I am a AHA certified cpr instructor) some staff members are willing to help. Some want to learn cpr, but many of them don't want that type of responsibility - and believe me - it goes beyond liability i have quoted the good samaritan laws till i've been blue in the face. I have given them the example that . They don't want to be the one looked to in a time of crisis - they would rather corral their students into another room and know that someone else is taking care of it. It's not that they don't care - it's just that it's easier to say "i don't know what to do" than to be bold enough to take control of a situation. I mean how many times have you seen an emergency and saw that the bystanders are happy to be just that - by standers.

[Tippy-ta-ta]

The cost of it is one thing - but the teacher's also have a perception of liability that prevents them from wanting to assume that responsibility. In my district (i've been a school nurse for 6 years now and I am a AHA certified cpr instructor) some staff members are willing to help. Some want to learn cpr, but many of them don't want that type of responsibility - and believe me - it goes beyond liability i have quoted the good samaritan laws till i've been blue in the face. I have given them the example that . They don't want to be the one looked to in a time of crisis - they would rather corral their students into another room and know that someone else is taking care of it. It's not that they don't care - it's just that it's easier to say "i don't know what to do" than to be bold enough to take control of a situation. I mean how many times have you seen an emergency and saw that the bystanders are happy to be just that - by standers.

those bystanders aren't taking care of my kids.

there is another thread going around about teachers giving insulin. If they can train a teacher to give insulin, can't they get them CPR training?

[FireStarterRN, BSN, RN]

those bystanders aren't taking care of my kids.

there is another thread going around about teachers giving insulin. If they can train a teacher to give insulin, can't they get them CPR training?

You sound like a good candidate for homeschooling. I think it's a viable option for many people, I'll bet there are some homeschoolers here at AN!