I am 16 years old and intend on per suing a BSN after high school, however I am not planning on staying a RN for more than 2 years i originally wanted to become a Nurse practitioner but now I'm hearing things about MSN being phased out and being turned in to a DNP which i have no interest in per suing. SO naturally I told my self I would attempt to go in to a PA program.
So my primary question is do you think in 6 years when im done my BSN (cause im 16 right now) there will be and MSN programs around because I really wanted to follow in my uncles foot steps who is a Nurse practitioner who has employed a medical director and owns his own clinic in Texas, Any other advice for me or things you wish you would have done while you were younger will be much appreciated.
yea i guess you are right, im just kinda mad that i will most likely have to do the DNP and others who already have a masters will simply get grandfathered in.
does anyone know how long the DNP actually takes after you have a BSN?
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yea i guess you are right, im just kinda mad that i will most likely have to do the DNP and others who already have a masters will simply get grandfathered in.
does anyone know how long the DNP actually takes after you have a BSN?
Yeah....so you will need to get over that. Life isn't fair.
The length of time for a DNP will vary...2-6 years probably depending on program and part time versus full time.
They've been saying DNP over MNP for a while (just like BSN over ADN). Until it is mandated by your state BON, the masters NP program will be around. We have no way of looking into a crystal ball to know if it's going to change or not. If you have your heart set on NP, then go for it. PA and NP have 2 different models of teaching (medical vs. nursing). The scope of practice between PA & NP varies by state, so you'll need to find the differences in your state to know what works best for you.
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I have my own personal reasons for not choosing the DNP route, also the reason I don't do pre-med is because PA programs are extremely competitive and there is always a chance i might not get in, however the massive demand of being a RN give me a guarantee of job security. I actually know of 2 PA's who have employed medical directors and essentially own the clinic. My primary question is do you think there will be a MSN program around in 6 years?
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! There is not a massive need for nurses, and you will not have a guaranteed job, nor job security.
You would do well to read the many threads on this site about nurses who cannot get jobs due to market oversaturation.
In all likelihood, by the time you graduate from nursing school, TPTB will have upped the ante on the NP requirements, and you will have to have a DNP to practice.
There is a decent demand of RN's where I live in canada, plus I have a garunteed position in my uncles clinic.
How do you see a recommendation from the AACN regarding educational requirements for advanced practice nursing in the United States affecting practice in Canada?
I think you need to do more research on what's really happening in Canada and in nursing. Plus, things change over the years, and you have a couple of years before you even START your path.
Follow CANADIAN nursing associations and licensing bodies, rather than American, if you plan to stay in Canada.
Also, as stated before, if you check out the Canadian nursing boards here, our friends up that way are having as much trouble finding work as we are in America.
Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.
I know BC, Ontario and Alberta are not having nursing shortages in the major metropolitan areas. You need to look at the provincial college of nursing to see educational requirements for Canadian nurse practitioners.
PAs have just as much clout or IMO more than NP. *cough* medical model *cough*
I am going PA because of the rigor and I feel with all of the diploma mill NP programs, saturation is near.
When people talk down PAs on here without knowing what exactly their role is it makes me cringe. PAs have supervisory physicians who in most cases are only there to consult on a handful of cases or are available when needed for help.Never do they look over their shoulder or have to sign off on everything. No provider is ever truly independent. PAs also go into a lot of roles and specialties where NPs aren't found a lot...ED...ortho...surgery...Autonomy is not even in issue.
2015 is next year and I have not heard of any colleges phasing out their MSN programs. Now, will the NP need a doctorate in the future? Yes, I foresee this happening. Not in the immediate future, but eventually, yes. The requirement for RN for many employers has gone from a diploma, to an ADN, to a BSN. The push is for more education. At some point if you want to be a NP, you will probably have to get your doctorate. Just like I will have to get my BSN. We may not like it, but we all do what we gotta do.
I've seen two universities near me transition. One has already accepted their first cohort of DNP-only students and the other just gained approval from the BON to change their curriculum. Both schools will no longer offer MSN degrees for nurse practitioners.
That said, I do not believe all (or even half) of the MSN programs to be gone in 6 years. It would take a lot longer that that. There are still RN diploma schools and how long have they been phasing them out?
PAs have just as much clout or IMO more than NP. *cough* medical model *cough*
I am going PA because of the rigor and I feel with all of the diploma mill NP programs, saturation is near.
When people talk down PAs on here without knowing what exactly their role is it makes me cringe. PAs have supervisory physicians who in most cases are only there to consult on a handful of cases or are available when needed for help.Never do they look over their shoulder or have to sign off on everything. No provider is ever truly independent. PAs also go into a lot of roles and specialties where NPs aren't found a lot...ED...ortho...surgery...Autonomy is not even in issue.
I really don't agree with you. NPs can do everything a PA can do, and on top of that, in many states they are completely independent and don't need to pay a physician to be available to consult at all.
NPs are found in all of the specialties you listed above. In fact, in my area, you can't find an ED or an OR without an NP. In my state, the functional difference in scope between them is that PAs can't write prescriptions for narcotics without a co-signiture of a physician and NPs can.
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yea i guess you are right, im just kinda mad that i will most likely have to do the DNP and others who already have a masters will simply get grandfathered in.
does anyone know how long the DNP actually takes after you have a BSN?