Firearms

Farawyn · Sep 22, 2015

Feel better that most of those who I know conceal carry are former police and military who regularly engage in training.
I know in most states, all?, that in order to get your CCW you have to prove a minimum of competence by completing a shooting test.
You are entitled to your concern though.
Fortunately though, what people do not know about (as in the case of CCW) they do not generally worry about.

That's just not true about the LEO.

I have plenty of friends who carry to carry. They are legally permitted to, and they are not LEO.

Do not keep up with their shooting skills, or whatever they need to do.

Yet, there is the gun.

Asystole RN · Sep 22, 2015

Yes... and we don't ride bicycles in the hospital either, because there is unnecessary risk involved for little to no benefit. Unforutunately, we DO care for patient's in the hospital including those with HIV. It is part of our onus as healthcare workers to manage a certain amount of risk on behalf of the patient, not to expose them to risk based on our personal preferences.
The original post is about CARRYING IN HOSPITALS AND ON HOSPITAL PROPERTY. This is what we're all talking about here, why would we be talking about any other setting other than in the hospital? It's what the thread is about!
Wobbly-legs are fall risk patients, for the record.

I see people riding bicycles on hospital property all the time :nailbiting:

For those who lived and worked through the 80s and 90s there is a reason why there are laws regarding the fair treatment of those with HIV and those who are employed with HIV. There used to be a real issue because people had an irrational fear of something that nearly posed no real risk to them. People were uncomfortable with HIV patients, still see threads here every once in awhile.

I do not know why you upper cased the hospital and hospital property sentence, I said I support the right of private companies to make their own rules?

Ah fall-risk...makes sense.

Asystole RN · Sep 22, 2015

That's just not true about the LEO.
I have plenty of friends who carry to carry. They are legally permitted to, and they are not LEO.
Do not keep up with their shooting skills, or whatever they need to do.
Yet, there is the gun.

Considering you live in New York with one of the lowest gun ownership rates in the country, are clearly uncomfortable with firearms, and the state has a relatively difficult to obtain CCW I highly doubt the above but "plenty" and "friends" is subjective.

To be fair my statements were subjective also but I live in the most gun-friendly state in the country and people do not have to worry about offending me or making me uncomfortable. I am not sure what it not true about my friends who are or former LEOs?

elkpark · Sep 23, 2015

If you only knew how little firearm training police officers received then you would not feel comfortable with then carrying either, lol.

Feel better that most of those who I know conceal carry are former police and military who regularly engage in training.

So, which is it? "If you only knew how little" training, or "regularly engage in" training?

Oh'Ello, BSN, RN · Sep 23, 2015

Feel better that most of those who I know conceal carry are former police and military who regularly engage in training.
I know in most states, all?, that in order to get your CCW you have to prove a minimum of competence by completing a shooting test.
You are entitled to your concern though.
Fortunately though, what people do not know about (as in the case of CCW) they do not generally worry about.

Actually no. I have a concealed carry permit in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (as it was a requirement for my position with the Constable), I had to pass no test, all I had to do was show up and pay like $52 for a background check and the piece of paper. Additionally reciprocity laws allow my permit to be honored in 26 or so other states.

So I'm sorry to say, its what I DO know about CCW that concerns me.

cracklingkraken, ASN, RN · Sep 23, 2015

Feel better that most of those who I know conceal carry are former police and military who regularly engage in training.
I know in most states, all?, that in order to get your CCW you have to prove a minimum of competence by completing a shooting test.
You are entitled to your concern though.
Fortunately though, what people do not know about (as in the case of CCW) they do not generally worry about.

That's not the case in IN. Same as PP stated, you just have to pass the background check.

Farawyn · Sep 23, 2015

Considering you live in New York with one of the lowest gun ownership rates in the country, are clearly uncomfortable with firearms, and the state has a relatively difficult to obtain CCW I highly doubt the above but "plenty" and "friends" is subjective.
To be fair my statements were subjective also but I live in the most gun-friendly state in the country and people do not have to worry about offending me or making me uncomfortable. I am not sure what it not true about my friends who are or former LEOs?

Yo, what, you assume my friends are all NYers?

No. My NY friends do not carry.

Farawyn · Sep 23, 2015

Considering you live in New York with one of the lowest gun ownership rates in the country, are clearly uncomfortable with firearms, and the state has a relatively difficult to obtain CCW I highly doubt the above but "plenty" and "friends" is subjective.
To be fair my statements were subjective also but I live in the most gun-friendly state in the country and people do not have to worry about offending me or making me uncomfortable. I am not sure what it not true about my friends who are or former LEOs?

And I'm not "offended" by yawl, but scared of yawl.

CarryThatWeight, BSN · Sep 23, 2015

... So, for all of you who say that us concealed carry people are a threat to your safety because we don't have enough training to be able to use a gun outside of a shooting range, do you trust criminals more than us? If you restrict guns with gun control laws, only the criminals who get them illegally will be able to carry. They'll start shooting and no one will be able to defend themselves. I'm sure that would make you all feel really safe.

CarryThatWeight, BSN · Sep 23, 2015

And in Texas, you must pass a shooting test or you will not receive a license. 20 rounds at 9 feet, 20 rounds at 20 feet, and 10 rounds at 45 feet. Any bullet holes outside center mass on the target count against you.

Farawyn · Sep 23, 2015

And in Texas, you must pass a shooting test or you will not receive a license. 20 rounds at 9 feet, 20 rounds at 20 feet, and 10 rounds at 45 feet. Any bullet holes outside center mass on the target count against you.

My mom passed a driving test 50 years ago.

Haven't tested her since

How often do they make you qualify? And what are the repercussions if you don't?

No, no one trusts criminals. That's just silly.

Dogen · Sep 23, 2015

... So, for all of you who say that us concealed carry people are a threat to your safety because we don't have enough training to be able to use a gun outside of a shooting range, do you trust criminals more than us? If you restrict guns with gun control laws, only the criminals who get them illegally will be able to carry. They'll start shooting and no one will be able to defend themselves. I'm sure that would make you all feel really safe.

If a person doesn't trust you with a gun, the logical inference isn't that they do trust criminals with guns. It's that they see you as an additional threat on top of the threat of the criminal. If I were to see a shooting, and then other random people also started shooting, I wouldn't think, "thank god they have a gun," I'd think, "**** bullets are everywhere now."

Because we went from one person I don't trust with a gun to more than one person I don't trust with a gun.