Feeling Reprimanded Unfairly

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When I was 24 and barely starting out as a new RN, let alone in home health (terrible place to start out as an new nurse imo due to lack of experienced nurses nearby as on a unit/ dr office) , I ended up receiving a public reprimand as a result of that job. For privacy issues I wont dive in but I will say that I received the least amount of “punishment” possible, and it had nothing to do with stealing drugs or abusing a patient or anything like a felony. Truth is I worked for a crappy company whose mgmt used new nurses then threw them under the bus if it served them.

I was able to go on and work nursing jobs after that with no problem. If you don’t okie already, the BON takes YEARS to resolve your case. So I didn’t receive my “reprimand” until a few years later. When it did come to pass, my employer at the time was notified via nursys updates I believe, addressed the situation with me and I was allowed to continue to work, in the NICU, no problem whatsoever. It’s never affected my employment.

now I’m FOUR years out from the start of this horrific experience, a different person in my late 20’s, nursing experience under my belt - and upon moving to a new state last year, I had obtained a job and then lost it Bc my license hadn’t gone thru yet. Bc of the previous discipline, it took MONTHS to make it to the board meeting and be approved.

fast forward several months later, I literally land the SAME job, license in hand this time!! All to find out, just a few days before my start date, that they put my start date on hold, with possibility of rescinding my offer due to the results of the background check. I met all the conditions of my reprimand. My licenses were put in good standing. My new state license that id use to work here was completely free of any discipline hx since it’s a completely new license.

Not knowing whether this can resolved before Monday, I tried to return the NM phone call when she left a voicemail asking to speak to me, but over the course of two days, several calls, a couple voicemails and an email, she can’t be reached. Same with my local HR, until I finally got an email back with some vague explanation and passing me off to HR headquarters which I had previously called and were rude and passed me off to my local HR.

So do I currently am not starting Monday, don’t know if the offer is withdrawn or if they’ll come to a conclusion and let me start later (which sucks because I am financially drowning and was counting on starting soon) .

I have taken responsibility for my actions and even though I feel that my situation was unfair, I learned what I could from that reprimand. I do NOT think that I should still be “reprimanded” years later, especially when there are people who have done far worse and still manage to start working again!! How is this fair? Is this current employer being ridiculous or is it worth me applying to other hospitals? I’m considering a career change and am so lost.

Makes no sense that I was able to continue working with my previous employer without issue, without it affecting my employment but can’t get hired now.

I would appreciate any insight - thank you so much if you got this far in reading.

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
36 minutes ago, joe007 said:

Additionally, never go into a manager's office without your smart phone recording the convo.

Good way to end up in legal hot water as many states require the consent of all parties for a conversation to be recorded.

It's smart to do things via e-mail. They are all discoverable in the future if legal action is needed. Additionally, I know a PI who tells me you can get copies of your credit report which should include what other employers/background check uncovers and what others have said about you.

As for recording: https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/RECORDING-CONVERSATIONS-CHART.pdf

As for using an "illegal" recording in court, there have been many instances where such recordings have been approved by the court when criminal conduct is captured. It's not black and white. Anyhow, I record conversations. Once you're illegally threatened, you'll do what it takes to protect yourself. Think about Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer. Did he get any additional time for having many tapes of convos between himself and his clients which he handed over to Federal Prosecutors? No. He didn't. But I guess he also didn't break the law because under Federal law and NY state law, he has the right to record those convos.

It’s funny, my parents, obviously concerned for me and my ordeal, urged me to go talk in person thinking it’d cure all. Well meaning as they are and as important as face time is, I agree about email. Sure, I could state my case in person but they weren’t going to suddenly change their minds - written back up is ultimately needed. So I have the important info ultimately sent in form of email.

Update: Local HR never returned my call. NM finally returned an email (after several + a couple voicemails unreturned) when I mass cced my explanation/extra info regarding the marks on my past licenses. I’m not even sure she read it to be honest. Just said I’d be contacted if adverse action is taken + good luck in my future endeavors and to contact HR HQ for any questions (did you read my email? I already did contact them hence this email I’m sending with my explanation/extra info to be considered...) Eh. Doesn’t sound good.

Haven’t got the “you’re no longer hired” email just yet, so we’ll see and I’m praying for what’s right. But I definitely feel like I’m being judged and like the decision to not hire me has already been made... before the explanation email I sent (and was advised to send by HR HQ) has even been considered which is not fair, and so different from “regular court” where you’re innocent until proven guilty and all sides are heard. I really hope I’m wrong though!

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.

I think at this point I'd be applying for other jobs. After all this hassle, I'd be starting to wonder if I even want to work for an outfit like this. Chalk it up to a dodged bullet.

You are being brushed off. You are expected to figure things out on your own at some point without one of them being required to man/woman up and directly inform you that you are not being hired and there will never be a start date. Find a job elsewhere.

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6 hours ago, caliotter3 said:

You are being brushed off. You are expected to figure things out on your own at some point without one of them being required to man/woman up and directly inform you that you are not being hired and there will never be a start date. Find a job elsewhere.

Kinda what I was thinking!

When employer reps get salty with me when I innocently inquire, I figure out they have no intention of hiring me and the rude behavior is their way of telling me what they really think of me. Not necessary in the hiring process as far as I’m concerned, but many people get off on acting like jerks when dealing with others. I return the favor as best I can when advising potential employees on how I was treated. You know, “what goeth around, cometh around”.

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On 5/4/2019 at 2:06 PM, TriciaJ said:

You have to realize that this isn't based on a formal decision by any human person. The info gets plugged into the system, and the system does its thing. Communicating with actual people is marginally effective, because they can't alter the "system" and they rarely communicate with one another.

The new nurse manager is likely unaware of what is happening and is probably getting up to speed on a hundred other things. HR won't stir themselves; they're not personally affected by your financial situation or a unit working short.

I personally think state boards of nursing need more oversight than they're getting; they operate as a law unto themselves and their victims have little recourse.

I would keep applying to other jobs and explain the situation in an interview. I would also send an email to the new NM explaining the situation.

Good luck!

This exactly!

Sounds like a wishy washy place to work. I'd scram out of there because something ain't right.

I do agree that BON's have too much power, not enough oversight. They can ruin a nurses life. Can't a nurse appeal to clear a record after so many years? I wonder if they have law suits brought against them very often????

Specializes in ED, ICU, MS/MT, PCU, CM, House Sup, Frontline mgr.
On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 10:34 AM, joe007 said:

Medicine and nursing is very corrupt. That's why CYA is always cited. Additionally, never go into a manager's office without your smart phone recording the convo. They like to have a manager and someone else in there as their witness when they do throw you under the bus... your only proof is audio of the convo. Anyhow, sorry that happened to you.

It is not legal to record people without their expressed permission in some states. If it were legal everywhere, patients and families would get away with recording you without your permission.

1 hour ago, SummerGarden said:

It is not legal to record people without their expressed permission in some states. If it were legal everywhere, patients and families would get away with recording you without your permission.

We already covered that above. In 36 states it is legal and it's also legal under Federal law. I don't have any problem with being on tape. What do I have to hide? Transparency is important and something that is sorely lacking in healthcare leading to corruption. I recently have been thinking they should have body cams like the police do, but nurses should wear them in hospitals. The coverups and glossing over of CMS violations, etc. is astounding.

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