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lifelearningrn, BSN, RN

Specializes in School Nursing. Has 7 years experience.

11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I would suggest that we are experiencing a voicing of fear from a percentage of the American population. People are expressing economic anxiety. People are anxious about perceived loss of individual freedoms. Fear of tyranny or anxiety about political incompetence or malfeasance seem to be common themes.

We are in unprecedented times, and for sure that will cause anxiety. There have been no proposals to amend the constitution, and it's been made clear that current restrictions are temporary and only related to this pandemic. I wish I could wave a magic wand to help those who think we're falling into tyranny feel less anxiety. The economic anxiety, that one, imo, is more real than the fall to tyranny. We will never know what the economic cost would have been had we done nothing, and allowed this virus to blow through our population.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN

Specializes in Psych. Has 5 years experience.

Look at how the government has been in recent history. The War on Terror is nowhere near it was after 9/11, but the Patriot Act is still law and still used to surveil us. Now the government is using data from the phone companies to monitor our movements because of Coronavirus. Do you really think once this Corona thing is over, the government is going to say, "Oh we don't want that sort of data on the American public any more!"?

toomuchbaloney

Has 43 years experience.

37 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Look at how the government has been in recent history. The War on Terror is nowhere near it was after 9/11, but the Patriot Act is still law and still used to surveil us. Now the government is using data from the phone companies to monitor our movements because of Coronavirus. Do you really think once this Corona thing is over, the government is going to say, "Oh we don't want that sort of data on the American public any more!"?

No, I don't, because the current administration has already demonstrated it's corrupt and dishonest contempt of all regulations or laws which might limit their behavior or protect the people. This government will quickly and comfortably lie to and gas light the population to achieve personal political goals. The last republican presidency ushered in the Patriot act under the fears of that voting base, those voters are more deeply committed to this administration so anything is possible.

No, I don't trust this administration or McConnell's GOP at all.

NotAllWhoWandeRN, ASN, RN

Has 9 years experience.

On 5/4/2020 at 4:57 PM, A Hit With The Ladies said:

A false equivalence. You not wearing a mask is nowhere near as dangerous to the public as drinking and driving. Enough is enough. We cannot keep catering to the rest of society forever. By next month people will stop wearing masks altogether. Which is great in my book. This is the land of the FREE and if you want to wear a mask for the rest of your life that is your choice. Individual liberty is sacrosanct here.

In the U.S., drunk driving kills about 10,000 people a year. COVID-19 has killed 75,000 in roughly 3 months. Try again.

The right to swing your fist ends where another man's nose begins; freedom doesn't include the right to harm other people.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN

Specializes in Psych. Has 5 years experience.

The "right to swing your fist ends where another man's nose begins" analogy fails because it assumes that everyone is Corona positive and deliberately and maliciously infecting someone else.

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

I wear a mask when out of my house because I could be asymptomatic and infect another person. When I run with Pearlie Girl dog I have it around my neck for times another person come close, like at a stoplight. My neighbors do the same so OUR chance of being infected is lower.

I am glad that this is required in my city. Why is it so important refuse to mitigate the chance of infecting another person with a potentially lethal virus?

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN

Specializes in Psych. Has 5 years experience.

I have no issues with masking in public. I do it, too, unlike a lot of people out in the general public. I have no quarrel with state and local governments strongly encouraging it through public information programs. What I do strongly oppose are coercive measures such as fines and threats of arrests. One could use "public health" as a pretext for a whole host of draconian measures. Should the cops have the right to stop you, see if your hands are dirty, demand you wash them or get arrested? That would be absurd. I am against legal coercion or bullying behaviors. If people don't want to wear masks that's on them, not me.

JadedCPN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU. Has 15 years experience.

32 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

I have no issues with masking in public. I do it, too, unlike a lot of people out in the general public. I have no quarrel with state and local governments strongly encouraging it through public information programs. What I do strongly oppose are coercive measures such as fines and threats of arrests. One could use "public health" as a pretext for a whole host of draconian measures. Should the cops have the right to stop you, see if your hands are dirty, demand you wash them or get arrested? That would be absurd. I am against legal coercion or bullying behaviors. If people don't want to wear masks that's on them, not me.

It would be absurd, and thankfully making people mask up is nowhere near absurd as what you described. If we could trust the public to use the honor system to wear masks to protect others during this pandemic like you claim you do yourself and many of us replying do, then there wouldn't need to be any fines or threats of arrest. But that's not the case. This isn't anymore "legal coercion or bullying" than all the other LAWS that are in place to protect this country, so I'm not sure why a temporary inconvenience that will literally save lives and get us back to our "normal" state is such a big deal.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN

Specializes in Psych. Has 5 years experience.

What is an "inconvenience" to you is tyranny to others. As Benjamin Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety". If freely breathing is a crime to some people, then they themselves need to quarantine away from others, and let those who don't mask do their own thing. Many of us expected this country to begin opening up a month ago. If it hasn't happened at this point, then there's a problem. It's time get America back to work, Corona or no Corona.

londonflo

Specializes in oncology. Has 44 years experience.

5 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

If freely breathing is a crime to some people,

Inhaling isn't the crime, exhaling is! LOL! You are taking yourself so seriously! Look, no smoking in public places was fought too, but once again the intent was to protect others. You can smoke in your own home and go without your mask at home. No one is suggesting that you will face laws that restrict you in your own home.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN

Specializes in Psych. Has 5 years experience.

The anti-smoking law targeted smoking. These laws are "guilt without evidence" and label everyone as Coronapositive. When the government requires sick people to stay home, that's quarantine. When the government requires healthy people to stay home, that's tyanny.

JadedCPN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU. Has 15 years experience.

11 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

The anti-smoking law targeted smoking. These laws are "guilt without evidence" and label everyone as Coronapositive. When the government requires sick people to stay home, that's quarantine. When the government requires healthy people to stay home, that's tyanny.

But the conversation isn't solely about requiring healthy people to stay at home. It's about requiring everyone to wear masks as a reasonable way to safely open America back up. How is that tyranny?

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